--- title: Meet your Host - Sean date: 2022-01-11T05:00:00-05:00 author: Sean Smith canonical_url: "https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-05/episode-1/meet-your-host-sean/" section: Podcast --- <!\[CDATA\[YII-BLOCK-BODY-BEGIN\]\]>[Skip to main content](#main-content)Season 05 Episode 1 – Jan 11, 2022 29:55 [Show Notes](#show-notes) ## Meet your Host - Sean  0:00 0:00 1.0x 0.75x1.0x1.25x1.5x2x [](//dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/website101podcast.com/uploads/mp3/season-05/meet-your-host-sean-smith.mp3) Join Mike and Sean as they delve into the early days of Sean's web development career, from his first website in 1997 to becoming a professional in 2008. ### Show Notes - Sean's first website was a [Geocities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_GeoCities) website built in 1997 - First client website built in 2008 - Started full time self-employment in 2013 - Provided official support to end-users of ExpressionEngine - What does Sean like the least/most about web development - Sean's advice for new web developers ### Show Links - [Geocities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_GeoCities) - [Moodle](https://moodle.org/) - [Dreamweaver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Dreamweaver) - [Microsoft Frontpage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_FrontPage) - [Adobe GoLive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_GoLive) - [Movable Type](https://www.movabletype.org/) - [ExpressionEngine](https://expressionengine.com/) - [GreenSock](https://greensock.com/) Powered Transcript Accuracy of transcript is dependant on AI technology. **\[00:00\]** **Mike:** The website 101 podcast is back! This is the podcast for novice web developers and small business owners who want to learn more about running and optimizing their websites. Website 101 podcast season five. And I am your host Mike Mele and with me is the other host, Sean Smith. Sean, are you as excited about season five as I am? **\[00:26\]** **Sean:** Obviously. Yeah, I'm especially being the other host. **\[00:30\]** **Mike:** That's the other host, we're co-hosts, right? **\[00:34\]** **Sean:** Yeah, yeah. This is the first time I heard it as the other host. That's great. That's a good intro. I really like that, Mike. And yeah, I'm very excited to be back for season five. This should be a lot of fun this season. **\[00:47\]** **Mike:** Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. We have a lot of really good episodes already planned. We'll give the whole season planned out, which is... Indeed, we do. Maybe unusual for us. Yeah. And we're gonna open this up by throwing a bit of a curve ball because we're doing an episode today that's not like the other episodes and that is I am going to interview you about how you got started in this business. **\[01:10\]** **Sean:** Indeed, indeed, indeed. And the next episode will be me interviewing you about the same topic. So yeah, this should be a lot of fun. **\[01:19\]** **Mike:** Yeah, I don't know if, I mean, we're assuming if people care at all about, you know, but I guess the idea is that you and I are not, we're no spring chickens. We've been around for a while in this business, especially in this business. So I thought people might, you know, get a kick out of learning how we got started because of course, when we got started, the landscape of web development was just completely different, **\[01:44\]** **Sean:** you know, totally, totally different. **\[01:47\]** **Mike:** It's not like you go to school and then you come out in your web developer like today. We had a very different path to our careers and that's what we're going to get into today. Yeah, indeed. We are. All right. Well, let's just jump right into this. My first question for you is, are you officially trained? I just kind of alluded to this a minute ago. Do you have official training in web development? Are you certified? Did you go to school for it? How did that go? **\[02:20\]** **Sean:** Well, I went to school, the school of Google. So yeah, no formal training. All of my skills are self-taught. Or I have taken a few online courses. You know, the ones from Udemy or West Boss. There's all kinds of different online courses that I've taken a number of them. But, primarily, I taught myself from way back in the day, reading online tutorials because, back in the day, there were no video tutorials. **\[02:58\]** **Mike:** Yeah. And nor were there... Okay, let's back up here. When did you begin in web development? What year are we talking about here? **\[03:06\]** **Sean:** Web development or my first website? **\[03:09\]** **Mike:** Let's... I'll break it up into two questions. When did you make your first website and then when did you start having a career in web development? **\[03:22\]** **Sean:** Okay. I made my first website all the way back before the millennium, 1997. Oh really? I didn't see. **\[03:31\]** **Mike:** I didn't know that. I thought, so okay. We'll continue. I'm waiting for the answer to the next question as well, but continue. So 1997. Wow. **\[03:40\]** **Sean:** 1997. That was the year that I moved to South Korea to become an English teacher. And I stayed there for 14 years. And my first year there, I wanted a way to like share some stuff with family and friends back home. So I got up on Geo Cities. Oh yes. And I made it, I made a Geo City site. And of course, it's completely gone now because Geo Cities does not exist anymore. Geo Cities was sort of **\[04:08\]** **Mike:** like for those who don't know, it's almost like an early version of a social network, right? Would that be accurate? It was like a bunch of websites, it's almost like Facebook in a way. **\[04:19\]** **Sean:** Wouldn't you say? If Facebook was modern man, then GeoCities was the Miba in the primordial soup. **\[04:29\]** **Mike:** But the idea was like, in the reason it's called GeoCities, it was like a city inside the internet, like it was supposed to be these sort of connected websites and you build your own site on this. **\[04:40\]** **Sean:** Right. And you had web rings where you would drop this bit of code that you would copy from the web ring master or whatever. And it would drop it in there and it would create a link to another site on the web ring. And the theory was that more people would visit your site because you were ringed together or linked together. **\[05:02\]** **Mike:** Yes, and this was the days before Spammer's destroyed everything remotely like that. Oh, yeah. **\[05:09\]** **Sean:** Any more. Yeah. So my, my geo city site was, you know, I had two or three of those things. I had all those horrible, horrible animated gifts that were really popular back then, flashing text, the marquee tag, everything. Whatever you could do. **\[05:27\]** **Mike:** Flaming logo. **\[05:28\]** **Sean:** Oh, yeah. Whatever you could do wrong with GeoCities, I did it. **\[05:33\]** **Mike:** GeoCities, and what was the other one that was like that angel fire, the angel fire network? I think I did something on that one. **\[05:41\]** **Sean:** There was a couple other ones, but angel fire and GeoCities were the two big ones as far **\[05:45\]** **Mike:** as I recall. So now when you build, I can't remember how that worked. When you built on GeoCities, is it like a whizzy wig, drag and drop thing? What was it? How did you build a site on there? **\[05:57\]** **Sean:** I honestly don't remember, I didn't know any code, so even if there was code involved, it would have been like copy and paste into something. But this is like 22 years ago, 24 years ago, sorry. I don't remember anything, I just remember I had one. **\[06:18\]** **Mike:** Right, okay. **\[06:19\]** **Sean:** And the top here is I never even owned a computer in my life up to that point. I was doing it on the office computer. **\[06:28\]** **Mike:** This is when you were in Korea? Is it when you did this? **\[06:31\]** **Sean:** Yes. Yes. **\[06:33\]** **Mike:** Wow. **\[06:34\]** **Sean:** That's awesome. So I had a website before I ever owned a computer. **\[06:38\]** **Mike:** So now, OK, so that's moved to the second question I asked. What year roughly did you start being a professional web developer such that you made money doing **\[06:50\]** **Sean:** it? I'm going to say semi-professional because I was still not, I was not focused on becoming a web developer at that time I raised. I was a teacher or instructor at a university and I really liked that and I had no plans to come back. But I was using something called Moodle which is education CMS or LMS learning management system. It's still around. Oh, it's still around, and teachers, or at least the teachers that I knew are notoriously technically **\[07:26\]** **Mike:** unsavvy. **\[07:28\]** **Sean:** Yeah. So I was pretty much like the guy in my circle, or even my extended circle, the guy to go to get a noodle set up and running for you. So, you know, I did the first few for free and I was like, oh, man, this is just taking more and more of my time. It's like, all right, $50 and I was like, oh, this is, you know, like for two or three hours of my time to consult and show and teach, I was like, oh, this is way too much money. **\[08:01\]** **Mike:** No, no, it's not enough. Certainly today it's not enough. **\[08:06\]** **Sean:** Yeah, that would have been probably 2005, 2006, around there. **\[08:12\]** **Mike:** Okay. **\[08:13\]** **Sean:** Yeah. **\[08:14\]** **Mike:** Now, if you started way back in 97, so between 97 and 2006 or whatever was you said, what kind of websites did you build? Give us some examples of what are some sites, whether they were paid or just for friends **\[08:29\]** **Sean:** or what have you. Mostly I built websites for my students and I started that off with pirated copies of Dreamweaver and stuff like that. Sorry, I just spent a lot of time dragging and dropping and reading all kinds of forums about how to use Dreamweaver and... **\[08:53\]** **Mike:** So Dreamweaver, we should probably explain what Dream, people wouldn't know what that is if they're not. **\[08:58\]** **Sean:** Oh my gosh. **\[09:00\]** **Mike:** Dreamweaver is a, it was a tool. I don't know who made it, was it? **\[09:06\]** **Sean:** MacRamedia. Before it was purchased by Adobe. **\[09:09\]** **Mike:** Adobe, okay, the same people that did Flash. **\[09:12\]** **Sean:** and fireworks. **\[09:13\]** **Mike:** Yeah, yeah. Okay, so Dreamweaver was, yeah, it was basically a window where you could write code, but there was also this sort of a live preview type view where you could sort of drag stuff around and do things, you know, just using what you see on the screen. **\[09:31\]** **Sean:** It was pretty much a wizzy wig for your whole thing. It was like, I guess it would be similar to like a WordPress theme builder or Wix, but something that ran on your desktop and then you would export files that you would FTP up to your server. Right. And I can't remember for sure, but I think it also had an option to FTP directly to your server. So you would push a button after you input credentials and it would FTP into your server and send the files up. **\[10:06\]** **Mike:** Right. And the code it produced was just unbelievably horrible. **\[10:11\]** **Sean:** It was not, I didn't know that at the time. **\[10:15\]** **Mike:** Oh, yeah, yeah, no judgment. I use the thing as well, so. **\[10:19\]** **Sean:** Yeah, this is before standards and things like that, were even a thing. Nobody had even thought about it. So yeah, I built with Dreamweaver. I also used, what was that Microsoft one or a front page, that had front page extensions. I remember having to find a host that had front page extensions, which was not a problem at the time. **\[10:43\]** **Mike:** Actually, there was also a go live, Adobe go live. You shared Adobe-owned Dreamweaver, or was it Adobe was go live, and then Macromedia was Dreamweaver until Adobe bought Macromedia, is it? **\[10:55\]** **Sean:** Right, and then I think Dreamweaver was more future-rich. So they sort of like sideline go live, But again, it's been so long and I never used GoLive. **\[11:06\]** **Mike:** I used GoLive, this is, I'll talk about this, I guess, on my episode, but just the funny thing I remember is that it was before, it tried to be a CMS, a content management system, so in a way that, like if you had a page that had a footer that was included on several other pages and then you updated something in the footer, you hit save, it would re-save every single other page as a flat file because it was creating HTML files on the fly. So you would wait like 10 minutes while it saved all these flat HTML files with your updated footer in them. It was really weird. That's not how it works today, right? It just pulls things in. **\[11:49\]** **Sean:** Yeah, that sounds like a really good approach for back in the day for a small site. But once you're getting medium or larger, that's just gonna take forever. **\[11:59\]** **Mike:** Yeah, it would crash and, oh man. **\[12:02\]** **Sean:** All right, so. Oh, I'm not done. You asked what else I did between. Oh, more sites. **\[12:07\]** **Mike:** I was gonna say, what was your first client website? I assume you're getting to word that too. So go ahead, continue. **\[12:11\]** **Sean:** Well, before I got to my first client website, I started writing a blog. Right. So the blog that I was writing on was movable type. **\[12:24\]** **Mike:** That was a CMS. **\[12:25\]** **Sean:** It was a hosted CMS, I believe. **\[12:29\]** **Mike:** almost like WordPress.com or whatever that thing. **\[12:31\]** **Sean:** Yeah, this is where I started getting more seriously into code and things like that. I joined a pretty active community and I ran the world's number one ESL and EFL blog. I was number one on Google. There was people who were posting about me and interestingly I went to a meetup in Seoul with some other bloggers. And I introduced myself. I said, hey, I'm Sean. I run the EFL Geek blog. And this one woman, she jumped up and down. She was all giddy to meet me. It was my one moment of celebrity. **\[13:11\]** **Mike:** Wow, that's great. And back then, nobody jumps up and down for me even today. All right. So continue, client. We can, like, say for client websites, actual paid sites. **\[13:25\]** **Sean:** So my first client website would be some time around 2008 or so and it was at this time that I decided that I was going to move back to Canada. So I bid in Korea for about 11 years at this point and I said, okay, I'm making a three year plan. I'm going to move back to Canada. I do not want to be a teacher in Canada for various reasons. running around with teaching, just I didn't want to do it in Canada. And so I reached out to a community, a couple of communities got pulled in, got some advice on building websites and I let it be known on Twitter and the everywhere that I was active that I was making a career switch in the near future. And then I had this guy from somewhere in the States reach out to him and said, Hey, I need this WordPress blog for my teaching program. And I was like, Hell yes, I can do this. You want the TLDR? It was my only WordPress site. **\[14:38\]** **Mike:** Right, because you're not a fan. **\[14:43\]** **Sean:** But I didn't like WordPress right from the beginning. But it was a valuable experience I got paid about $800 US dollars for it. And the site was up for years and years, even though it wasn't updated. It's no longer around. But I think it was up for about eight or nine years before it finally disappeared. I would just periodically check on it. It's still there. It's cool. So yeah, that was my first client website I built Wordpress site. **\[15:20\]** **Mike:** Hi, hope you're enjoying this episode. We're always looking for topics suggestions, so if there's anything you'd like us to discuss on the show, please let us know. **\[15:26\]** **Sean:** We're also looking for guests. If you have a guest that you think would be great for a podcast, please let us know. If there's a guest that you would love to come back, let us know. You can do that by visiting website 101podcast.com slash contact so now after you started getting a taste for **\[15:47\]** **Mike:** making websites professionally did you get a job in web development did you actually work for someone as a web professional you know and as an employee not until I moved back to Canada **\[15:59\]** **Sean:** So, I moved back to Canada. I moved into Toronto, July 2011. So, 10 years ago, this year, this past summer. And I landed a job in Midtown for an agency. I got very, very lucky because somebody had followed me on Twitter and New York's coming and they had an opening and they offered me a job. They needed somebody who was familiar with Expression Engine, which I was very active in the community and everybody kind of knew who I was. So this guy who I had never heard of reached out to me. We had dinner one night and I basically was given the job at the dinner table or at the restaurant and he just had to go and confirm with the owner of the business. Cool. And how was the job? Did you like that job? I did, especially at the beginning, it was a great learning experience. I was thrown into the deep end with a number of things. I really, really had to improve my skills a lot. There was so much that, you know, I was kind of this amateur guy who was self-taught. I was making time to make websites and now I want to do it professionally. My original plan was to freelance until I could find a job. I got really lucky. I got this six weeks after I arrived in the country. So it really made a difference. They had a lot of sites. So I had to get up to speed on sites that were built by previous developers. I had to keep up to date on everything that was with Expression Engine and what was coming down the pipeline with CSS and JavaScript at that time. it was all jQuery. So I worked there for about two years and at the end it kind of just got to a point where I disagreed with a couple of things that the agency was doing and I decided to go on my own plus I'd been working on the side in evenings and weekends on my own freelancing And so I took the jump, and that was November 2013, and so November 2013, I went full **\[18:21\]** **Mike:** time on my own. That's cool. And now, you mentioned earlier, Expression Engine. Can you go into some detail about how that went? Because I know you have a bit of history with them. I know that you and I met that way, because we were both, Expression Engine is a content management system that's still going on today. It's really great. And we both really loved it when we were starting out. And that's how we met, because we're both in that community. And I know you have a bit of a history with that. **\[18:51\]** **Sean:** Talk about that a bit. I got some good stories, sir. And we actually, me and Mike and a few other people met when I came to Toronto. I just Googled Expression Engine, developer, agency, and I emailed, called, called, emailed everybody and said, let's have a meetup. so that's what we did. Yeah. But my start my history with expression engine goes back right back to 2005 version 1.0 was released and they had a giveaway which was announced they're gonna give away a thousand licenses and there was a coincidentally right at that time there was a little bruhaha with movable type that a lot of people in the community were not happy with I can't remember the details, but I wasn't happy with it either. So I applied for the giveaway. I was given it probably the greatest thing that ever happened to my career because I got in. Expression engine community was amazing. Everybody was so helpful. I was just a hobbyist at the time. Yeah. So it was just me being a hobbyist. And then like I said, in 2008, I made that decision to to go full-time web development and leave teaching as a career. So I posted in the expression engine forms and said, hey, I want to go pro. I've all self-taught. What do I need? What's the best things I can do? And I got a whole slew of advice because the community there was awesome and is still awesome. All the people are really friendly. But the greatest piece of thing that happened out of that was that Leslie Camacho, the CEO of expression vision at the time, decided to do a start this video blog. It didn't last long, but I was the target of the first one where he did this video, made a recording for about 15 minutes, baby, 20 minutes, I can't remember how long it was, but he was talking directly to me, given me all kinds of advice. It was just absolutely amazing. And I've since met Leslie a couple of times and I just love the guy, but he's just the best thing anybody has ever done for me. That took me into coming to Canada, getting the job and while I had that job, as I mentioned that I was freelancing in the evenings with some clients, but I was also providing technical support for end users of expression engine. And I did this for just under a year. So I was hired by Ellis Lab, the owners of Expressionism at that time. And I would answer questions on their forums and get login credentials to websites and servers and go and help make updates for end users who were having trouble. It was a really, really, really interesting, challenging a position to provide support for end users? **\[21:59\]** **Mike:** Yeah, and I can remember when I was pretty deep into expression engine, I would frequently Google something that I needed to figure out in expression engine and low and behold, there's your little face there with the answer right there on the support thing. Oh, Sean's got it, okay, good. It happens, it's still up there. You can like look up various things about EE and see you helping people out with their problems. It was great. **\[22:26\]** **Sean:** Yeah, it's still there, a little less relevant now because that was back in EE2 and now they're at EE6. So clearly things have changed since then, but it was such an awesome experience, so valuable. Hmm, cool, cool. **\[22:40\]** **Mike:** So what, let's go high level here. What do you like the most? And maybe the least about web development and being in the web development industry? **\[22:51\]** **Sean:** It's the same answer for both. **\[22:53\]** **Mike:** Oh my. **\[22:54\]** **Sean:** So what do I like the most and what do I like the least? The constant pace of development, pun intended of the technology. So there's always new things that you need to learn. Yeah. There's always things improving. Like I think back to the day of trying to center content, vertically and horizontally in a div. Do you remember how hard that used to be? Oh yes, yeah. It is insane. Now, just a couple of lines of CSS, super easy, whether you're gonna do it with grid, or you're gonna do it with flexbox. It's just dead simple. Yeah. One of the greatest things about web development is things are constantly changing and improving. It's also, it's curse, because you cannot sit back and relax. You always need to be learning and improving, and keeping your skills up to date. And it's really hard because there's so much that needs to be done. You're not just learning HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. And keeping up with all those. But you also need to know some DevOps and various technologies for running build processes. And it's really difficult to keep up. But the reason it's great is it's not boring. There's always something new to learn. This week, I decided that I'm really going to start putting a little bit more focus into animations on my website. So I'm running through a course to learn greensock, which is a JavaScript library for animations and stuff like that. I always got to keep up to date. Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, it moves really, **\[24:33\]** **Mike:** really fast, doesn't it? Like, if you were, you know, a plumber or an electrician or something, I'm sure there's ways they can, you know, improve their skills, but ultimately plumbing and electricianing probably is about the same as it was 10 years ago, right? I would think, I don't know. **\[24:53\]** **Sean:** I would imagine that, sure, there's going to be improvements and changes over time, but not at the breakneck pace that we have in technology. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you and I, having started **\[25:06\]** **Mike:** back when we did. It was even more so because, you know, there wasn't even a lot of courses available like actual formal educational, you know, at universities or whatever. I don't **\[25:18\]** **Sean:** know about you, but there wasn't when I was in school. So there was nothing web development in the early, early 90s when I graduated. Yeah. Yeah. So like I said earlier, I saw self-taught. It was looking at tutorials online and buying various books that were outdated by the time that **\[25:39\]** **Mike:** you got them. Yep. That's right. I have many books like that. I still have them in my house here that I can remember JavaScript, all the good parts. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Great. JQuery for dummies. Right. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Well, let me ask you one more question. This has been really interesting. What advice do you have for someone who's getting into web development now? What should they do? **\[26:05\]** **Sean:** All right, so a brand new minted web developer fresh out of school or getting ready to change a career or whatever. Don't get discouraged if you can't get things quickly or you're having trouble understanding. There is just so much that you need to know, you're not going to be able to do it all off the bat. The best skill you can learn is how to Google things. You probably already know how to search on Google, but it's taking the time to learn the right terms for searching and knowing what you need to know. Yeah, at that moment don't get discouraged and depressed or whatever because you can't do everything There's so much that needs to be done. Take it a step at a time. Brick by brick. Yeah, that's good advice **\[27:03\]** **Mike:** One of the terms people use these days is full stack. I'm a full stack developer which **\[27:09\]** **Sean:** There is no full stack developers anymore **\[27:11\]** **Mike:** Yeah, I'm not thrilled with that term because it implies that you do everything and maybe some people do more than others, but you never do everything. Nobody does. **\[27:22\]** **Sean:** I mean, a front-end developer, which is what I consider myself, there is so much to do just in front-end development that I feel like I barely know like 15 or 20% of what's available. And that's just front-end. So, I mean, you wanna be a full-stack front-end developer? Like, seriously, are you gonna know HTML inside an out? CSS inside an out? And I know a lot of JavaScript developers, they, I see lots of complaints or like, CSS is like voodoo magic. No, actually, I don't think it is. I love CSS, that's great. Yeah. JavaScript, what flavor of JavaScript are you gonna learn? Are you gonna learn just regular old vanilla JavaScript or are you gonna go into view or react or some other framework, svelte or there's so much that you can learn there. And then you've got your whole build process. Are you gonna be learning like, webpack or mix or golep or there's so much to know. Focus on the fundamentals. get the fundamentals down and learn a little bit each day. That's all I have to say about that. **\[28:41\]** **Mike:** Great advice. And with that, I think we'll wrap this up. This has been really interesting, I think. **\[28:48\]** **Sean:** Oh, it was great. This is much more fun than I anticipated, Mike. Thanks for suggesting these topics. **\[28:55\]** **Mike:** I really hope our listeners got something out of this. I hope so, too. **\[29:01\]** **Sean:** And I'm looking forward to interviewing you **\[29:02\]** **Mike:** and learning all kinds of stuff from you. Yep, that'll be coming up in an upcoming episode, so stay tuned for that. Thank you all for listening. **\[29:13\]** **Sean:** The website 101 Podcast is hosted by me, Sean Smith. You can find me on LinkedIn. My username is caffeine creations, or on Twitter, where my username is caffeine creation. C-A-F-E-I-N-E-C-R-E-A-T-I-O-M, Or at my website, caffeinecreations.ca. **\[29:36\]** **Mike:** And by me, Mike Mella. You can reach me online at BLikeWater.ca And also on Twitter and LinkedIn, where my username is Mike Mella. That's M-I-K-E-M-E-L-L-A. Close Transcript Have a question for Sean, Mike, and Amanda? [Send us an email](/contact). 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