--- title: This Tech Conference Had No Notes. Seriously. date: 2026-10-27T05:30:00-04:00 author: Amanda Lutz canonical_url: "https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-10/episode-1/this-tech-conference-had-no-notes-seriously/" section: Podcast --- <!\[CDATA\[YII-BLOCK-BODY-BEGIN\]\]> [Skip to main content](#main-content) Season 10 Episode 1 – Oct 27, 2026 00:29:04 [Show Notes](#show-notes) ## This Tech Conference Had No Notes. Seriously.  0:00 0:00 1.0x 0.75x 1.0x 1.25x 1.5x 2x [ ](https://website101podcast.com/uploads/mp3/season-10/S10-E01-lunch-bytes.mp3) Mike and Amanda kick off Season 10 of the Website 101 Podcast with some host news and then share a glowing review of EEConf, the ExpressionEngine conference they attended in Toronto. ### Show Notes ## Overview Mike and Amanda open Season 10 with some host news, then give a glowing review of EEconf, the ExpressionEngine conference they attended in Toronto. They cover the community, the standout talks on image optimization, natural language search, and accessibility reports, and the venue and food. ## Key Topics - Host and schedule news - Sean has taken a full-time job and is stepping away from the show for now, with hopes of having him back as a guest - The live YouTube Lunch Bites move to the first and third Tuesday of each month for the rest of the year, and the audio episodes will be made from those recordings - We're thinking about starting a Patreon - A funny voice assistant story - Mike accidentally started a voice chat with Claude and got a surprise reply - Talk of smart home voices that are a little too chipper, and the idea of having a different voice for each room, like staff - EEConf, the ExpressionEngine conference in Toronto - The community: a small, welcoming group of around 40 to 50 people, with none of the cliquishness of bigger tech conferences - Image optimization: serving right-sized images with the picture element and srcset, and why you shouldn’t lazy load your hero image (Gavin Lawrie) - Natural language search: using AI services so a search for “where can I stay” finds the hotel page (Michael Rog) - AI accessibility reports: a scanning tool that scores a site, gives advice, and shows which issues were fixed between runs (Gilbert Lin) - The venue and food: round tables, meals all day including a memorable curry, drinks on the second day, and maple "hopcorn" on the tables **Key Takeaways** - Serve smaller images to phones and larger ones to desktops, so visitors aren’t downloading images bigger than their screens need - Leave lazy loading off the hero image at the top of the page, since it can slow down the first paint - Natural language search can match related terms, not just exact words, which fixes problems like a “financial planning” page not showing up for “wealth management” - AI-powered accessibility scanning can quickly produce a scored report and track your progress as you make fixes - Use client-owned email addresses when signing up for services, so access isn’t tied to one person - A smaller conference can be a great one when the community is friendly and approachable ### Show Links - [EEConf](https://eeconf.com/) - [ExpressionEngine](https://expressionengine.com/) - [Hop Studios](https://hopstudios.com/) Powered Transcript Accuracy of transcript is dependant on AI technology. **Mike** (0:05) Hello viewers, viewers, whoever, whoever. (0:09) And listener. (0:12) Oh yes, of course, and listener. (0:14) Welcome to season 10, season 10 of this podcast, episode 1. (0:20) Of what podcast? (0:22) Yeah, this is the Website 101 podcast, of course. (0:25) It's the podcast that helps people learn more about building and managing websites. (0:30) I'm one of your hosts, Mike Mella. (0:34) She is your other host, Amanda Lutz. (0:38) Hello. (0:39) Should we jump into the host related news right now? **Amanda** (0:43) Let's do the host related news right now. **Mike** (0:46) Okay, well, traditionally, we've had a third host, Sean Smith. (0:51) He in fact originated this whole podcast. **Amanda** (0:54) Yes, because thanks to Sean, because of Sean, thanks to Sean, who did this podcast for many seasons on his own, we are now able to start 10, which is a lot. **Mike** (1:07) Yeah, that's right. **Amanda** (1:08) But for listeners who have been around and for viewers of our YouTube live, who've come and visited us a bunch of times, you will know that in recent months, Sean has gotten a full time job. (1:21) Good job, Sean. (1:22) Congratulations. **Mike** (1:24) So, Sean has sort of decided to step away from the show for a bit. (1:29) So, it's going to be just me and Amanda for the foreseeable future. (1:35) Hopefully, we'll have him back once in a while. **Amanda** (1:37) Once in a while as a guest and to pop in. (1:40) So, if anyone has well wishes that they want to send off to Sean, you can always contact us in the YouTube, add a comment, or you can go to website101podcast.com slash contact and send a message that way. **Mike** (1:55) That's right. (1:56) Yeah. (1:57) So, thank you, Sean, for everything. (1:59) We'll have him back once in a while as a surprise guest and whatever. (2:02) So, yes, don't worry about that. **Amanda** (2:04) Thank you, Sean. **Mike** (2:06) Yeah. (2:06) And the other news is the schedule of this, not so much the audio, but the video lunch bites that we're doing now on YouTube. (2:17) So, Amanda, you want to talk about that? **Amanda** (2:19) Yes. (2:19) Once again, due to my teaching schedule at Seneca that changes every four months and I have no control over it, I am teaching like all day on Wednesdays. (2:30) So, for the rest of the year, we will be doing these live YouTube lunch bites on the first and third Tuesday of every month. (2:42) Hopefully, I don't know what the new year is going to bring because like I said, I have no control in that, but I like doing it on Wednesdays. (2:48) I feel like it's a nice midweek balance. (2:52) But we are going to be taking these recordings, these lunch bites recordings and turning them into the podcast for the audio part. (2:59) And they, I think, will still come out on the Tuesday. (3:02) Can we still? (3:03) They were always Tuesday, right? **Mike** (3:04) I think so. (3:05) Yeah. (3:05) Yeah. **Amanda** (3:06) We can still make it Tuesday. (3:07) As you can see, we're learning how to slowly take over all of Sean's tasks. **Mike** (3:14) There was a lot that we all did separately. (3:19) You know, we all had our own handful of things that we did on the show. (3:22) And now we're taking over what Sean did. (3:25) By the way, we've been talking about starting a Patreon for this podcast. (3:31) If you listen to other podcasts, you'll probably hear them talk about, hey, you support the show, give us whatever, a couple bucks, subscribe on Patreon. (3:38) We may do that because I can guarantee this is the most independent podcast you listen to, listener. (3:46) There is no, we don't have, you know, Radiotopia behind us. (3:51) We don't have Gimlet or whatever. (3:54) It's just us. (3:55) And now it's two. (3:56) It's not even three of us. (3:57) Yeah. (3:58) So we do everything. **Amanda** (4:00) All of your, all of your fantastic audio recordings that you listen to on whatever streaming platform you listen to podcasts too. (4:08) That's all thanks to Mike. (4:10) Mike does all of that work. (4:12) Thanks Mike. **Mike** (4:13) I do that work and you're welcome. (4:15) And Amanda does all of the YouTube focused work generally. (4:19) That's why that stuff exists on YouTube. **Amanda** (4:23) Yeah. (4:23) And then Sean would take care of things like the website and getting transcriptions and all of those things. (4:32) And so we're slowly having to get accounts transferred over and passwords changed over and contact emails updated. (4:42) And soon we're going to have to start figuring out new payments and it's, and so, I mean, this is, maybe we should talk about this more in the future, but this is also an interesting study for what happens when a site goes live. (4:57) You know, there might be a lot of accounts that need to change from the developer to the client. (5:02) Or even if, if somebody leaves the company and somebody else needs to take over in the company for the website, there could be a lot of crossover. (5:11) We're so smart. (5:12) We just came up with that episode idea. **Mike** (5:14) Yeah, that's brilliant. (5:15) And, and speaking of Sean, I remember he is the (5:18) one that told me years ago, a good bit of advice, which was when you start working with a client, (5:25) get them to create a, you know, webmaster at whatever, or admin at whatever email address (5:34) so that when you sign up for, you know, Mailgun or MailChimp or whatever, any other mail or (5:41) otherwise related features, and you need to put in an email address, you can use that because then (5:48) they control it. (5:49) You know, it's not your own personal, it's not Sarah at accounting dot whatever. (5:54) And if she leaves, it's no good. (5:55) So it's a good piece of advice. (5:57) So yeah, we'll, we'll put that in that other episode when we eventually do it. **Amanda** (6:00) Yes. (6:01) Yeah, I was going to tell a little, share a little story, but yeah, I'm going to share that, share that for the episode. (6:06) So hey, listener, hey viewer, come back in a few weeks when we do that, we've got stories. **Mike** (6:12) Yeah. (6:13) Smash that subscribe button. (6:16) I want to tell a funny story right before we get started that that literally happened to me 10 minutes ago. **Amanda** (6:21) Please do. (6:22) I love funny stories. **Mike** (6:23) I had asked Claude something, just, you know, typed it in and got an answer, whatever. (6:30) And then I kind of shut the thing down, shut Claude down. (6:33) And I resumed my work on my computer. (6:35) And I have this microphone all the time. (6:38) And I use something called whisper flow, which is it lets me hold down the function key, and I can dictate things to my computer. (6:46) That's how I don't type that much. (6:48) I put the cursor where it goes, and I dictate it into this mic. **Amanda** (6:52) So lazy. **Mike** (6:54) Yeah, yeah, it's very effective, because it's much faster than I can type anyway. (6:58) So I sometimes as a result, speak things out loud that I'm doing a bit, right. (7:03) So I said something like, I'll just let, I was asking Claude about a redirect for a domain name. (7:12) And I said something like, let it go to, I'll just let the redirect happen, or something like that. (7:18) And all of a sudden, this woman's voice starts speaking to me, saying, in fact, I have the transcription right here, because I'll get to why this is happening. (7:28) She says, sure, I can help with that. (7:31) Which domain or URL are we talking about? (7:34) And where should the redirect end up once it hits cPanel? (7:38) And I was like, my next quote here is, who is talking? (7:42) I said that to my computer. (7:44) Yeah, she goes, it's me, Mike, Claude. (7:47) You're in a voice chat with me. (7:49) Did you mean to say that to someone else? (7:53) And I said, No, I meant to say it to you. (7:55) But how did I turn this on? (7:57) Yeah, this is what I said. (7:59) Then she says, ah, you probably tap the voice mode button, the little soundwave icon next to the message box, you can end it with the X button whenever you want. (8:09) And we'll pick up in the text. (8:10) So about that redirect, which domain should go to cPanel? (8:14) And where should it point after that? (8:15) And then I said, never mind, I fixed it myself. (8:17) I'm good. (8:18) And she said, Yeah, nice. (8:19) Glad you got it sorted. (8:20) Talk soon, Mike. (8:22) Bye. (8:23) And then she stopped talking. (8:25) Isn't that weird? (8:26) It was like that smooth. (8:28) It was it sounded like there was a woman sitting next to me speaking like it was bizarre. (8:33) I don't know why I picked click that button. (8:35) I guess I accidentally touched that thing. **Amanda** (8:37) Yeah, I'm finding that between like, because I've talked about it before we have the smart house and we have the light switches and we have the doorbell and we have the routines and the modes and everything and we have multiple Alexa devices. (8:53) And I have up here, my microphone is hiding it right now, you can't see it. (8:58) But I have like a Google device. (9:00) And, you know, the phones are listening. (9:03) And, and I, we all we just got like a new fire stick for the TV. (9:07) And so now the TV can listen, and we can control it with the voice. (9:11) And all of them have such falsely pleasant tones, that it actually is starting to be nails on a chalkboard. (9:21) Like, I don't know. (9:25) I don't know what it is. (9:26) I think that in real life, if I like met somebody who was just that friendly and chipper and let me help you all the time, I would not want to be friends with them. (9:35) But now this voice is like, like, it's in the car. (9:38) It's up here. (9:39) It's in the kitchen. (9:40) It's everywhere. (9:41) I don't like it. **Mike** (9:42) Yeah. (9:43) We had some good fun the other day, because we also have Google homes, and Google minis all over the place. (9:50) And the one in our kitchen, someone asked it about a recipe or something. (9:55) And then we started talking. (9:56) I'm not sure I like that voice. (9:58) And I said, Oh, I think you can change the voices. (10:00) And I fired up the app on my phone. (10:02) And you can pick several different voices. **Amanda** (10:05) Yeah. **Mike** (10:05) And we did. (10:07) I don't know if we switched it up. (10:08) But I realized that the voice that's available on the Google Home device, that that set of voices that you can choose from is different from the set of voices that I can get Google to use when I talk to it on my phone. (10:22) So in other words, when I'm in the car, and I'm using Google Maps, and sometimes she's directing me to where to go, that's a different voice than the one Google Home uses in my kitchen. (10:32) And I cannot use the same one on both. (10:35) It's like there's a voice that's not available on one of those devices, which is annoying, because I kind of want it to sound like the same person. (10:43) Although maybe that doesn't matter. **Amanda** (10:46) I like it because it seems like you have staff. (10:48) So you have like the chauffeur sounds like this voice and the chef sounds like this voice and the concierge from your living room sounds like someone else. **Mike** (10:57) I still wasn't able to find like a Jarvis, you know, British voice, British Butler like guy. **Amanda** (11:04) Like you'd think that'd be default. **Mike** (11:06) Yeah, I don't know. (11:07) I couldn't get it. (11:08) Most of it. (11:09) Most of it was like friendly one that you were talking about. **Amanda** (11:11) Yeah, the car for a little bit. (11:13) And we have the Tesla, we've had it for many years from before everything went cuckoo bananas. (11:20) The voice in the car for a little bit, you could choose it to be to sound like Batman. **Mike** (11:25) Oh, wow. (11:26) Which Batman? **Amanda** (11:28) Like the Christian Bale, dark. **Mike** (11:30) Oh, yeah. **Amanda** (11:31) Okay. (11:32) Yeah. (11:32) And instead of like turning left and right, it was like sort of more. (11:36) It sounded more like Batman didn't so many meters turn west so that you're on the streets that we can continue. (11:41) And I think it was a bit campy. (11:43) So we can continue following whoever we're following. (11:46) So sometimes it's fun. **Mike** (11:49) Yeah. (11:51) Speaking of Tesla, we weren't planning to talk about this. (11:54) But did you see that frigging car that they just released the Roadster? **Amanda** (11:58) We I did. (12:00) I did. (12:01) I have a lot. **Mike** (12:02) I don't know if you want to talk about it. (12:03) It's a flying car. (12:04) And that's stupid. **Amanda** (12:05) And it's a flying car. (12:06) And it's stupid. (12:06) I have actually a lot of complaining about it, which I don't not today. (12:13) Let's not talk about it today. (12:14) I want to talk about something. (12:16) We complain about so much all the time. (12:18) And today we have a happy topic. (12:20) I want to I want to stick with that. **Mike** (12:22) So let's go jump into it. (12:23) What are we talking? **Amanda** (12:24) Let's go. (12:25) So today, the main thing that we wanted to talk about was a tech conference that Mike and I went to a couple of weeks ago. (12:32) It was put on by a content management system that we have used called Expression Engine. (12:40) And it was I I have to say that overall, the entire conference, fantastic. (12:47) No notes, was so happy that we decided to go. (12:52) I loved it. (12:52) I'm just going to say everything good about it. (12:55) Mike, share your overall your overall thoughts. **Mike** (13:00) Yeah, yeah, I agree. (13:02) EEConf, it was called and they they go all over the world, I suppose. (13:08) But this one happened to be here in Toronto, where Amanda, Amanda and I live. (13:12) And we couldn't pass it up. (13:15) So we went a friend of ours, Rob also came down from Ottawa checked it out. (13:20) And we met a lot of people from that community. (13:23) That's Amanda and I met through the expression engine community years and years ago. (13:29) So yes, we've been using that technology for a long time. (13:34) And yeah, we kind of it, they had stuff having to do with expression engine, they had talks that were about AI and more broad stuff, that kind of thing. (13:45) It was a two day conference, along with two after parties, one each day, which was pretty sweet. **Amanda** (13:53) And a pre party to that we didn't go to. **Mike** (13:56) Oh, that's right. (13:57) Yeah, that's right. (13:58) For people that flew into the hotel, apparently they got together the day before must have been pretty awesome. (14:04) I was talking to Tom Jager, who is the I guess he the owner of expression. (14:10) I'm not sure packet tide is his company. (14:12) And he they owned expression engine now. (14:14) So got to see him again. (14:16) And that was really cool. (14:17) Talk about plans for the future. (14:19) They've got a lot of cool things coming up with the CMS. Yeah, it was really awesome. (14:23) I was, you know, five stars. (14:26) Yeah, it was great. (14:27) As conferences go, everyone. **Amanda** (14:31) So yeah, let's break it down into a couple categories. (14:33) I want to talk about the people. (14:35) So the community, I want to talk about some of the talks that was talked about. (14:41) And I also want to talk about the facility that they that they chose to put it in. (14:48) Because I feel like that deserves a big shout out, shout out as well. **Mike** (14:51) That's right. (14:52) It was on the TMU campus. **Amanda** (14:55) I want to do it and do it in order. **Mike** (14:57) Okay, sorry, what was the first one? **Amanda** (14:59) I laid out an order for a reason. (15:00) The community. (15:02) They were so awesome. (15:04) They were so nice. (15:05) They were so approachable. (15:07) It wasn't a big conference. (15:09) I'd say that what would you say like 5060? **Mike** (15:12) Yeah, maybe 50. (15:14) I don't know. **Amanda** (15:14) Maybe 5040 50 people. (15:17) But so I mean, we have been to tech conferences before. (15:20) I don't know if you have felt this, but sometimes they're very cliquey. (15:24) Yeah, sometimes they're very, you know, this is my group. (15:27) And, and, you know, we only do this. (15:30) And oh, you don't specialize in that? (15:32) Well, no, thank you. (15:34) This did not happen with this group of people. (15:37) They were awesome. (15:38) They were welcoming. (15:40) They were I think that and the leading question is always Oh, hey, where are you from? (15:45) And then you know, they answer and then they say it back. (15:47) And I think everyone that I told that we were from Toronto was was shocked was so surprised. **Mike** (15:53) Oh, yeah. **Amanda** (15:54) Yeah. **Mike** (15:55) Yeah. (15:55) A lot of them were Americans visiting I find. (15:58) Yes. (15:59) From from what I talked, there was a lot of it was cool to see, like there were plugin developers that I've recognized. (16:07) And just people who were in that community that I you know, you see them online with their little avatars here and there. (16:12) And I was like, Oh, that's this. (16:13) There's so and so whatever. (16:14) And it was pretty cool to finally meet those people in person. (16:18) Yeah. (16:19) Yeah. (16:19) But they did seem to be mostly from from away, as we say down east. **Amanda** (16:23) They did. **Mike** (16:24) Yeah. **Amanda** (16:25) There was even they even had a an add on developer from from the UK. (16:33) Yeah, people people traveled. **Mike** (16:35) Yeah, there's a there's a little picture here. **Amanda** (16:37) I haven't even seen that. **Mike** (16:39) Yeah. (16:40) So for the listeners, I'm showing a picture of the group that was taken at the end of the conference of all us standing together smiling. (16:49) It's very nice. (16:50) Check it out on YouTube. **Amanda** (16:51) Yeah, yeah. (16:52) So of the talks that happened over the two days, what were some of the highlights that you remember? **Mike** (17:00) I really liked the talk. (17:03) And I'm not going to remember people's names. (17:05) I'm sorry. (17:05) But the someone gave a talk about image management, and just not so much specific to expression engine, but just in website building in general, which is great advice for one on one people who are getting into this, because you know, the general idea is when you have an image on your website, you want it nice, big, you know, high resolution for desktops. (17:31) But when someone views it on a phone, you don't want to be serving them a almost megabyte sized image, when they can't even see that level of detail. (17:40) And maybe they're not on a great connection or whatever. (17:43) So you have to resize the thing and show the smaller version on phones only. (17:48) And there's all this way, there's ways you can do that using HTML and CSS, where you know, the picture element and the source set attribute and all these things that will resize the image as needed, or at least that will say that will serve up a different image depending on the device size. **Amanda** (18:07) Yeah, almost almost with something that works the same as the media query in CSS. (18:13) So like, that's how that's how the picture tag figures out which image to actually display. (18:18) He that talk was also my, my number one, so interesting, really well thought out, well described. (18:27) And that that was the guy who came from the UK, who yes, who has made the add on for like, you know, displaying images and stuff like that. (18:35) But it wasn't all about how his add on did it was just about, you know, core technologies, HTML, how it works, and sort of like, at the end, it was like, and, oh, yeah, here's my, here's my add on that I made. (18:50) So I really liked that it was just general, that it wasn't all marketing pushing his thing. **Mike** (18:57) Yeah, yeah, definitely. (18:58) And I did, I learned, like, I knew a lot of that already, and I'm doing it in my sites. (19:02) But there were weird little things where it's like, Oh, yeah, I never really thought of that. (19:06) Like, for example, don't use so there's a lazy load attribute, you can add to an image, so that it will only load when you scroll to that point in the page, and you need to have that served up to you. (19:21) At least that's my understanding of it. (19:23) I think he described it as it loads at the end of loading everything else. (19:28) And he didn't necessarily say that you have to scroll to that. (19:31) So I'm not, maybe if someone knows the answer, put it in the comments. (19:35) Yeah. (19:36) Which one of those it works. (19:38) But anyway, he was pointing out that if you have a hero image at the top of your page, don't put lazy load on it. (19:44) Because you're actually slowing down the page, it's supposed to load right when the when the thing you know, the first paint happens. (19:53) So you should leave it off of that, that image. (19:55) And it's something people often don't don't think about. **Amanda** (19:59) So yeah, they'd either put it on all of them or none of them. **Mike** (20:02) Yeah, yeah. **Amanda** (20:02) Yeah, which I thought was, yeah, it was, it was good. (20:06) It was really, really fantastic. (20:08) Another talk that I liked so much that really just kind of blew me away was the guy who was talking about how to do a more like natural language search on a site. **Mike** (20:22) Yeah, Michael, Michael Rogg did that. (20:24) It was Michael Rogg's talk. (20:25) Yeah. **Amanda** (20:25) Okay. (20:27) Yeah, talking about so for for listeners at home, what happens is when you are adding content to the site, you can say that this field is going to be indexed to be searchable, which is great. (20:42) And when a user comes to your site, and you have a search bar, and they type in the search bar of the specific word that shows up in one of the entries, the search results will show that entry and everything is fantastic, and the user is happy, and you move forward, and that's the end. (20:57) But what happens if there's a typo? (20:59) What happens if the example that he showed that I thought was really smart in using the eeconf website, it had hotel information, but what if the user comes in and doesn't search for a hotel, but instead searches for where can I stay? (21:15) Which in normal talking, yeah, it makes sense. (21:18) Obviously, you know exactly what they mean. (21:20) But with computers, it doesn't intuitively know that where do I stay is the same thing as getting the hotel information. (21:28) So he went through, and actually, pretty, I'm not going to get into it now, because it was detailed, and it made so much sense, and I wouldn't want to mess anything up. (21:37) But basically, there are these AI services, where you would do one API call with all of the content on the entry, and it would return this huge matrix of data, where for every word, it would return some code, some indices that would also give related words. (21:59) And then in the search, when the person types something in, you would do another API call, and it would return some indices of all of the related words of what they actually typed in. (22:09) And then it would, based on the database, because it doesn't work with MySQL, which made me really angry, it would sort of do this close match between these two numeric indices. (22:19) And then that's how it would know what to return that was related to what was asked, instead of exactly what was asked. (22:25) It was awesome. (22:27) It blew my mind. (22:29) That was the type of talk where it was like, my ears perked up, and I was like, ooh, and it really motivated me to want to go out and play and experiment and see what can be done. (22:40) It was great. **Mike** (22:42) Yeah, I was talking, you can tell that's where the future of search on the web is going, which is natural language. (22:49) I was talking to Michael Rogg at the after party about that, and how I need that feature, because I have a client where they said to me, hey, we have this page called financial planning, and it doesn't show up in the search results whenever someone searches for the term wealth management. (23:14) And I had to say, well, that's because wealth management doesn't appear anywhere in that page. (23:19) It's financial planning. (23:20) It's not going to know those are similar terms. (23:23) So I'm doing this weird thing where I'm having a field where they can put in alternative terms, and they also get searched, but they don't get output to the front end. (23:34) So it might show up. (23:35) It's a little clunky, but that natural language thing is the correct solution to that problem. (23:41) So I was telling them that. **Amanda** (23:42) It was awesome. (23:43) I loved it. (23:44) And so, because we don't want to be talking for too long, let's talk about, unless you had something else that you really wanted to highlight. **Mike** (23:50) I just wanted to throw in one more talk that I liked, which was by Gilbert Lynn. (23:56) It was called Accessibility Reports Made Simple. (23:59) And he had this enormous AI-powered scanning tool that will scan your website and give you a report of how your accessibility rates on the WCAG 2 scale or whatever. (24:15) And it was more than just, hey, look at this website and tell me which images don't have alt attributes. (24:21) It was way more than that. (24:23) And it would spit out this thing with a score for everything and advice. (24:28) And I think it took him, what did it take him, like five minutes just to run the program on a website? (24:33) So it was really cool. **Amanda** (24:34) And then you could save the results and then go and make fixes, and then you could run it again. (24:40) And it wouldn't list out all of the same problem, or these were the problems, and now they've been fixed. (24:47) But basically, it would just be like, 18 problems were fixed, but these are still the ones that are happening. (24:52) And it was, have you used it yet? (24:54) Have you tried it? **Mike** (24:55) No, because he did. (24:56) Yeah, he made that public on GitHub, I think, and you can download it. (24:59) I did bookmark it. (25:00) I haven't tried it yet, but looking forward to doing that. (25:03) Yeah, me too. (25:03) Yeah, that's cool. **Amanda** (25:05) Thank you for remembering that. (25:07) That was also an awesome talk. (25:09) And the venue, the venue that they chose, which was amazing and fantastic and really quite lucky considering that none of the organizers were from Toronto, and yet they got this fantastic venue. (25:23) Like Mike said earlier, it was a part of the TMU campus. (25:28) And it was, it looked like this reception room, kind of. (25:33) All of the tables were, instead of just having rows and rows and rows of chairs that are super uncomfortable, it was a bunch of round tables with chairs at them. (25:41) But it was fancy. (25:42) They all had white tablecloths. (25:44) They all had pitchers of water. (25:45) Everyone got their own water glass. (25:49) They had food. (25:51) The food was really good. **Mike** (25:53) The food was the highlight. (25:56) They fed us like every meal for the whole conference, breakfast, lunch, dinner, everything. **Amanda** (26:01) Yeah. (26:01) And it wasn't like some lame continental breakfast with like four stale muffins. (26:07) Like it was, it was like eggs and bacon. **Mike** (26:11) It was salmon one time. **Amanda** (26:13) Salmon was lunch. (26:14) There was this amazing curry. (26:16) I think I'm going to be thinking about this curry for a very, very long time. (26:20) It was so good. (26:22) And then even on the, on the second day, they had like a bar come in. (26:27) So they were like giving us beverages. (26:29) It's been so long. (26:31) Like tech conferences used to be so much fun because they would just give us alcohol. (26:37) And that doesn't, that doesn't really happen anymore because of political correctness because of COVID shutting everything down because of all of these reasons. (26:46) So to have these tech conferences come back and start to be like, Hey, here's, it's been a long day. (26:52) Have a beverage. (26:53) Yeah. (26:53) It was, it was nice to see. (26:55) It was, it was, I liked it. **Mike** (26:58) Yeah. (26:58) And thanks to the, I guess it was, I assume the catering was like a team. **Amanda** (27:03) Was it like a TMU? (27:05) I think part of TMU. **Mike** (27:06) Part of their thing. (27:07) Yeah. (27:07) So a big up to them for putting that together. (27:10) It was really good food. (27:12) Also Hop Studios, a fellow Canadian studio from BC had little bags of popcorn on each table. (27:21) Maple, maple glazed popcorn, which is totally awesome. **Amanda** (27:25) Instead of caramel corn, it was, yeah, I took a couple of leftover extra bags home. (27:32) I just finished the final one on the weekend. **Mike** (27:35) Oh, mine, mine didn't. (27:36) As soon as my kid saw them on the table, when I got home, he devoured them. (27:39) They didn't last half an hour here in our house. (27:42) It was great. **Amanda** (27:42) They were good. (27:43) It was nice. (27:44) Yeah. (27:45) So that was, that was all of our experience with EECOMF. (27:49) I am absolutely shamelessly going to share this podcast episode with everybody that I can find that was also at EECOMF. (27:58) So hello everyone. (28:01) Thank you for the really, really absolutely positive experience. **Mike** (28:05) Yeah, absolutely. (28:06) And I'm sorry, we're not naming all of the, the, the speakers that we talked about. (28:12) The image optimization one was Gavin Lowry was his name. (28:17) So yeah. (28:18) And anyway, they were all great talks. (28:21) Yeah. (28:21) It was good. (28:22) Should we, should we call it Yeah. **Amanda** (28:24) I think we need, we need to find a better, more elegant way to, to wrap up these podcasts. **Mike** (28:30) Yeah. (28:30) I was thinking that I have a podcast I listened to where they always have the exact same outro, which is kind of cool. (28:36) Like they say it live. **Amanda** (28:38) Okay. **Mike** (28:39) Anyway, it's cool, but I don't want to steal theirs, but yeah, we should come up with something. **Amanda** (28:42) We'll come up with something. **Mike** (28:43) Okay. (28:44) Bye everyone. (28:48) Yeah. (28:48) Like and subscribe. (28:50) Stay tuned for season 10. (28:51) I'm going to try to fit this while the music's playing. (28:53) Anyway. (28:53) Yeah. (28:54) Thank you. Close Transcript This episode is a Lunch Byte! If you enjoyed it, please consider [subscribing to our YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/@website101podcast) and watch us live. [ Watch This Episode on YouTube ](https://www.youtube.com/live/5WZrSQ-lYcs) Have a question for Sean, Mike, and Amanda? [Send us an email](/contact). 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