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title: Website Contract Advice From an Actual Lawyer
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<!\[CDATA\[YII-BLOCK-BODY-BEGIN\]\]>[Skip to main content](#main-content)Guest David Canton
Business lawyer and trademark agent with a practice focusing on tech issues.
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Season 06 Episode 2 – Dec 20, 2022
33:00 [Show Notes](#show-notes)
## Website Contract Advice From an Actual Lawyer
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We talk with David Canton about the ins and outs of contracts for creative professionals.
### Show Notes
- Follow up episode to [Contract Opinions from not a Lawyer](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-05/episode-12/contract-opinions-from-not-a-lawyer/)
- This is not legal advice
- What is legally binding? Verbal contracts
- Plain language contracts vs legalese
- 3 reasons to enter a written contract
- Non-competition clauses
- Combine contracts and compromise
- What is "Work for Hire"?
- Software license
- How often should a contract be updated and/or reviewed?
- Wet signatures vs digital signatures
### Show Links
- [HP Tech Law](https://hptechlaw.com/)
- [HP Tech Law Newsletter](https://hptechlaw.com/tech-law-weekly-newsletter)
- [Docusign](https://www.docusign.com/)
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**\[00:00\]** **Mike:** Hey Amanda. Hey Sean. Do you like to waste time on YouTube? I do. Hey did you know about the new
**\[00:07\]** **Sean:** website 101 podcast channel on YouTube? Yeah, Sean, I know about it. What do you think I've been working on? Haven't you been clicking the links I've been sending you? You can just go to YouTube
**\[00:18\]** **Mike:** and you can search for the website 101 podcast. Today on the website 101 podcast we talk to to business lawyer David Canton about contracts. We'll discuss non-competitive clauses, the concept of work for hire, and David gives us his three main reasons why you should have a contract. It's the website 101 Podcast.
**\[00:41\]** **Mike:** We are back for another episode. This is the podcast for people who want to learn more about building and managing websites. I am one of your hosts, Mike Mella, and with me, as always, are Sean Smith. Hi, Sean. How you doing? Hey Mike, how's it going? It's going well and Amanda Loots, Amanda, how are you? I'm fantastic today, thanks, how are you? Good, I'm very good looking forward to this episode. We have a great guest on today. We have David Canton, he's a business lawyer and trademark agent with a practice focusing on tech issues. And he's going to help us understand contracts, which is one of the oft-requested topics on the podcast here. So we're gonna get advice from an expert. David, welcome to the show.
You're quite welcome, thanks.
**\[01:27\]** **Sean:** Thank you. Hold on, before David keeps going and shares all of his knowledge with us, I just want to remind everyone that this is a follow-up to last season's episodes of contract opinions from not a lawyer.
**\[01:39\]** **Mike:** Right, we'll put that in the show notes.
**\[01:40\]** **Sean:** So now this is like the flip side, the opposite.
**\[01:44\]** **Mike:** Contract opinions from a lawyer. I have a real lawyer. Yeah, David, thanks for being on the show, really appreciate it.
**\[01:51\]** **David:** You're quite welcome, thanks. And I should start off with the usual notion that what I say today is not legal advice. Your mileage may vary if you need specific legal advice. It's all tied to the facts, every situation's different.
And I'm a Canadian lawyer, so if you're in another country that it may or may not be the same. So just everything I say you take it with that in mind. And just a quick pitch, go to hptechlaw.com. And you can find I do a weekly blog post.
And I also publish a weekly newsletter with issues at the intersection of tech and law that you can subscribe to if you like. So that's the end of my pitch. So let's get started with the questions.
**\[02:42\]** **Sean:** Lawyers covering their butts right from the first second. I love it.
**\[02:45\]** **Mike:** Okay, so let's start with the first question we've got planned for you. What is legally bind in? Our verbal contracts legal and how can you prove a verbal contract, doesn't it like he said she said?
**\[03:03\]** **David:** Yeah, you're exactly right. So verbal contracts are legal, but that is the, you know, so five phone, one of you, five That's one of Amanda and I say, Amanda, can you revise my website? She says, great. That'll cost you $X dollars. And I said, good. Can you start tomorrow? And she said, yes, that's contract. So the problem is proving it, right? And the bad joke is an oral contract isn't worth the paper.
**\[03:29\]** **Mike:** It's printed on.
**\[03:31\]** **David:** That's not. And it's all about clarity, I mean, that's what it's all about. So, you know, there are certain sections of a contract that tend to be around legal leads, indemnities, limitations, liabilities, all that kind of stuff, but they're hard to kind of draft about sounding legal. But for the most part, you know, I'd rather have language that anybody can understand than legal language that sounds impressive, but you know you're not sure what it means. And a bit of an aside but here's an answer we do a contract drafting competition at the law school at Western and in previous years I've had something to do with that.
And what I tell these students who are learning contract law but have never drafted a contract before. I always say to them when you're done your first draft your contract, hand it to someone without telling them what the subject is. You know, it could be your roommate that's not in law school, it could be your mother or like, whatever, ask them to read it. And if they can't tell you the gist of what that contract is about, you've failed in the
**\[04:30\]** **Mike:** I have a follow-up question to that. Let's say you're having a conversation on the phone and you get this verbal agreement. And everything's good. We're hope is out there. Amanda's going to do work on my website, because I lazy and want her to do it. And then I send a follow-up email and say, hey, Amanda, this is what we talked about and agreed in bullet form A, B, C, D. I'll start tomorrow. Does that count as a contract, even if she does not respond and say, yes, I agree to what we talked about.
**\[05:08\]** **David:** That gets kind of tricky. There's a couple of legal issues in there. The first one is when is the contract formed? So in contracts 101, you have an invitation to treat where you ask someone to do something, and then you have an offer, and then you have an acceptance. So once an offer of contract is formed, then stuff you say afterwards may or may not be amending the contract, that's kind of the issue around that.
**\[05:40\]** **Mike:** It depends a lot, right?
**\[05:42\]** **David:** It depends a lot, unfortunately.
**\[05:44\]** **Sean:** It depends a lot. So it sounds like for everybody's best interest, you want to get things in writing so that everyone has a copy and everyone has agreed. So I guess the big question to that is like how legalese does this need to be? can it just be like a couple of like point forms things written out that everyone is like sort of replied I approve or does it need to be like contract language and it's printed out and you know signatures from from all parties involved. Oh good question. Yeah so you know you see a lot of
**\[06:18\]** **David:** contracts and have a lot of legalese and you know your terms legalese and boilerplate and all that kind of stuff and some of them are really hard to read but by no means does it have to be like that there's been a move over the last few years to go to more plain language contracts and not all lawyers subscribe to that. I do subscribe to that. I try and make mine as short and simple into the point as possible. Is it more risky to
**\[06:45\]** **Mike:** have a plain language contract that your layman can read and understand? No, it's
**\[06:51\]** **David:** That's not. And it's all about clarity, I mean, that's what it's all about. So, you know, there are certain sections of a contract that tend to be around legal leads, indemnities, limitations, liabilities, all that kind of stuff, but they're hard to kind of draft about sounding legal. But for the most part, you know, I'd rather have language that anybody can understand than legal language that sounds impressive, but you know you're not sure what it means.
And a bit of an aside but here's an answer we do a contract drafting competition at the law school at Western and in previous years I've had something to do with that. And what I tell these students who are learning contract law but have never drafted a contract before. I always say to them when you're done your first draft your contract, hand it to someone without telling them what the subject is. You know, it could be your roommate that's not in law school, it could be your mother or like, whatever, ask them to read it.
And if they can't tell you the gist of what that contract is about, you've failed in the
**\[08:03\]** **Mike:** Yeah, I guess that makes sense that they're a good way to keep you out of litigation, right? Because if everyone agrees with what the work is, then you're less likely to get into that kind of a a confrontation where, oh, you didn't give me, you know, what you promised or whatever. Yeah, that makes sense. So I mentioned earlier about this international thing. As web developers and we have listeners from all over the world, I have worked with clients from other countries. I'm sure Amanda and Sean have as well. How does that work? If we have any kind of contract, I mean, is there any point in having a contract for a legal from a legal sense?
Obviously understanding the agreement is a big, like you just mentioned, is important. But in terms of enforcing it, if someone's in the States and I'm in Canada, how does that work?
**\[08:57\]** **David:** Oh, yeah, it's perfectly binding, and you don't see contracts that have that language in a very often, but you do see it occasionally. It all comes down to, is it clear and does it cover off the issues that you need to? And I can think of three reasons why you want to enter a written contract, and most people think it's well, if something goes wrong, I've got proof and I can sue on it, and that is a reason, but that's not the main reason, because let's face it, for most contracts, you don't get there, you hope you don't get there. The first reason is to make sure that both parties are on the same page, and you both understand what's being done, what the price is, who owns it, you know, all that stuff.
That's crucially important because, you know, as lawyers, we see lots of problems when somebody's in the middle of something, you know, it might be a contract for a website or it might be just two people working together on a joint venture, whatever. One of the parties will get upset, well, you know, the other party isn't doing what they're supposed to do. They were supposed to do this and they're not doing this and not paying attention or whatever. But when you talk to the other guy, they'll say, oh, I didn't know you wanted me to do that.
So, you want the comment that, oh, well, that's not how I figured the deal. You want that comment to happen before you start, not in the middle. So, don't underestimate the value of a contract just for getting both parties at law, we call it at Edom, but on the same page and agreeing that what all the business terms are, that is worth its weight in gold, making sure everybody's up front. Another one is, if you're working for a large company, let's say I'm a promotions guy in, you know, some massive company and I engage you to do this and then I leave or I get hit by a bust.
If you don't have a written contract, how does my counterpart know what the deal is? Right. So there's a real serious element of that there as well. So those are kind of the three reasons at least in my head as to why written contracts are a good thing.
**\[11:12\]** **Mike:** Yeah, I guess that makes sense that they're a good way to keep you out of litigation, right? Because if everyone agrees with what the work is, then you're less likely to get into that kind of a a confrontation where, oh, you didn't give me, you know, what you promised or whatever. Yeah, that makes sense. So I mentioned earlier about this international thing.
As web developers and we have listeners from all over the world, I have worked with clients from other countries. I'm sure Amanda and Sean have as well. How does that work? If we have any kind of contract, I mean, is there any point in having a contract for a legal from a legal sense?
Obviously understanding the agreement is a big, like you just mentioned, is important. But in terms of enforcing it, if someone's in the States and I'm in Canada, how does
**\[11:58\]** **David:** that work? Yeah. So, the starting position is that you will always be doing business-to-business contracts. And the good news is that most jurisdictions will enforce choice of law clauses in contracts for business-to-business.
So if you're in Ontario, you want to have a choice of law clause that says, Ontario A, Ontario law governs, and B, if there's a lawsuit, it has to be handled in Ontario. So you often get into this battle, though, with the parties, each one wants the jurisdiction to be there. So you sometimes get into that battle. But yeah, so that's the good news.
Now enforcing it, I mean, that's where it becomes a problem. So if you're doing work for someone in England and they don't pay you, even though we say it's an Ontario law, you're basically going to have to somehow go after them in England. How practical and cost effective is that? That's the big problem.
The laws can vary from country to country in ways that you might surprise you because we often usually you should have limitation of liability clauses in your contracts. It says, hey, if something goes wrong, I'm not liable for any more than what you paid me. Right. But those clauses in England are necessarily enforceable.
So, you know, there's all kinds of weird things. Well, you're not being employed, but there's weird differences in employment law and there's differences in privacy laws, so there's all kinds of differences. But if you can try and make your contract Ontario law applies if you're in Ontario or wherever your jurisdiction is, that's really helpful to you.
**\[13:52\]** **Mike:** Hi, this is Sean. Thank you for listening. We love getting feedback and topic or guest suggestions from listeners like you. To do so, please visit website 101podcast.com slash contact.
**\[14:05\]** **Sean:** I have a question getting away from the international stuff. You obviously right now are talking to three contract developers, freelance contract developers. Would you be giving different advice or information if we were the small business owners that were coming to you, like would you or is like the same advice applicable to everyone?
**\[14:28\]** **David:** To some extent it's different and if I'm drafting a standard contract for you versus drafting a standard contract for the company that's engaging people like you. It's not going to be the same. It's going to have the same sort of flow, but you know, it's not going to be exactly the same, because your interests are a bit different. Well, we'd go with your client, your client, whoever you're making the contract with. Yeah, exactly. So now as a contract developer,
**\[15:00\]** **Sean:** or what are some of the things that would be different from a company perspective that maybe I should be keeping my eyes open for, not that they're gonna try to sneak anything past me or be shady, but just things to be aware of.
**\[15:13\]** **Mike:** Maybe a clause that we should fight tooth and nail to not remove if there's some negotiation going on.
**\[15:20\]** **Mike:** I think Sean has some experience with that one as well.
**\[15:22\]** **Mike:** No, I don't actually, I'm just kinda guessing.
**\[15:25\]** **David:** All right. And first of all, it depends how reasonable one party versus the other is. And, you know, I'm not doing you any favors if I had dropped a standard contract for you that is so much slanted in your favor that the other party is going to immediately look at it and go, what, you nuts. And the same thing, if I'm drafting for the buyer, I can't, I shouldn't be drafting it so far in their favor that you go like, are you crazy?
I'm not going to sign this. So you would hope that they're a little closer. Now, you don't always get that. I've got a situation right now, and this isn't web development.
It's tech-related, but not web development. But, you know, my client is a fairly small business. And they're providing a, what should be a fairly straightforward service. The buyer has thrown a 60-some-odd page contract at them that might be good if they were, you know, it's drafted from the perspective of buying the goods that are high-risk, you know, and that are being installed in a high-risk environment and all that kind of stuff.
And, you know, read through the agreement and you go like, this is crazy. Like, 90% of this doesn't apply. So, and you do get that sometimes. The things that I could go on for hours about the things that look out for it, but it's around ownership of what you create, broad indemnities, sometimes buyers don't understand open source, so you get some really weird open source stuff, non-competition stuff that says you can't do a similar website for somebody else.
**\[17:12\]** **Mike:** actually turned down a client because of something like that. Yeah. Their definition of the field that they belong to was way too broad. Yes. And it was like a five-year, and I said, no, I haven't worked in that industry since, but it doesn't matter. I just didn't want to restrict myself.
**\[17:31\]** **David:** Yeah. And I get from the buyer's perspective, if they pay you a lot of money to create a website that's truly unique in their industry and offers them a leg out. They don't want you two weeks from now and go out and recreate that for the competition. And I get that.
But there are better ways to handle it than saying, you can't do anything for my competitors for five years, like five years is kind of ridiculous. And courts don't like these non-competition closets, they will enforce them in a business to business aspect, but you know, one of the ways to deal with these things, you have the direct conversation with them and say, okay, what are you trying to protect? Like, what really don't you want me to do here? And then you can narrow down the definition and maybe you can get it to a place where you can say, what gives them the protection they're looking for, but at the same time, you're willing to say, you know what, I'm fine with saying I won't do a similar website or short period
**\[18:41\]** **Mike:** of plan. Right. Yeah. I often have, when I give a contract to a new client, if it's like a large non-profit or something, I often get them to, like, they end up sending me back their contract. And we kind of like have to, oh, will you sign my contract, if I sign here, or like, we You kind of blend them into one contract and is that fairly standard for that to happen when they have their own and I have my own and we have to work it out?
**\[19:07\]** **David:** Yeah, you can get into the battle of the forms thing pretty quick, right? So you have your contract they have theirs and it's like, your hope is that you send them your contract and it's reasonable enough they look at it and go, well, okay, this is close
**\[19:20\]** **Mike:** enough.
**\[19:21\]** **David:** Right. And they sign it. Depends on how savvy they are on websites and tech in general and software and sometimes they just don't understand it. Yeah, it's not unusual to kind of pick and choose bits.
And one advantage, actually, for someone like, you know, web developer to have their own standard contract. You know what you're dealing with a large company, the odds that they're going to accept your contract are great. But at least, if they won't accept your contract, at least it gives you something to compare your provisions to theirs. So you can get an idea of, oh wait a minute, I say this, they say that that sets off red flags because I don't like that.
**\[20:02\]** **Sean:** Got it.
**\[20:03\]** **David:** Yeah.
**\[20:04\]** **Sean:** I'm guessing that there's going to be some smaller businesses also that are going to be not trying to bully people into using their contracts instead of hours. But I'm sure that they just think that maybe they're more important than they really are. are. And so you should be accepting, you know, we've paid the lawyers and we know we've got all the fancy legalies and so use ours. And it's like, all right.
**\[20:29\]** **David:** Yeah, and you do get that sometimes it's, you know, they feel comfort or attached to a form or somebody in that company will say, this is the contract for what we have to use and an attempt to standardize things, but it doesn't do anybody any good if a contract doesn't get the situation. So, if it's for the supply and installation of HVAC equipment, it's got nothing to do with what you're doing on web development. So, it's sometimes you've got to get people over that ego thing, and sometimes that's the initial conversation is rather than trying to make their contract work. Sometimes the initial conversation is, look, I've read your contract.
I get where you're coming from, but I'm not installing your HVAC system on providing a website. So this doesn't really work. Why don't you take a look at our contract because I think it works a lot better.
**\[21:29\]** **Mike:** Yeah, I think what happens a lot of the time too is that in my experience anyway, I might be dealing with the marketing department of an organization and I'm on great terms and we've all agreed to this and that but then when it comes to contract time they just get their legal department I guess involved and the legal department is like well this is how we do it at this organization I don't know what you guys talked about but this is the contract you gotta you know so that gets a lot of weird there right that can happen a good
**\[21:58\]** **David:** lawyer won't do that, but that can happen. Sometimes what you see is there's a disconnect between the marketing side and the in-house lawyers because they're not really explaining to each other what's happening. So it's not unusual when I'm in that situation to talk to the lawyer and you go, oh, this is what the deal was. And they go, oh, you know, and go back and talk to their internal client and then it changes things. So, you have to sort of, it's not always easy to read the room, but you have to kind of do that a bit.
**\[22:36\]** **Mike:** Okay. So I'd like to pivot a little bit. There's a term that I hear a lot, work for higher. What exactly is this? Is it good? Is it bad? I really don't understand it very well at all.
**\[22:51\]** **David:** Okay, so work for hire is an American term that comes from an American copyright statute. You know, when I'm not sort of qualified or applying on U.S. law, but basically it's an overuse term. I don't like it in contracts. I don't like to see it. It basically, it's the same as the Canadian copyright law. It's about the employer employee relationship. So if an employee creates something for their employer...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] So if you were employed by my company and you're creating a website, the work for higher concept and the Canadian law that's in copyright act says that if an employee creates some creative works that's related to their job, then the employer owns what you create. That's all that it means...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] Now that's how it works in the employee situation, but as an independent contractor, if the contract is silent on ownership, copyright law says you as the creator are the owner of what you create. So if I hire you to create my website and we say nothing about ownership, technically you own my website...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] Now, if I'm providing you with, you know, text and content, obviously that's still But putting that aside, you own it, and I haven't implied license to use that...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] Now, the question becomes, what is the extent to that implied license? So, you know, it's clear that I haven't applied license to use it as a website. But does that license extend to allowing me to hire someone else to change it? Does it extend to being able to take some of that content on the website and turn it into a paper-based advertising campaign or a LinkedIn advertising campaign? like those are the things that get they're kind of kind of hard to to know...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] and in it you know photographs are a classic example of that so if you take you know someone takes a photograph and they use it for advertising in one venue do they also have the right to use it in other venues...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] so where you want to get to in your contract you don't want to use terms like work for hire because it's what it's legal meaning maybe different than what people think it means you want to settle really clearly who owns this...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] So it may be I have the right to do whatever I want to do within my organization but I can't like resell at the third parties and when you're creating websites when you're creating software obviously you're using bits and pieces that you've created before that other pieces people have used before you're using open source so if you create me a website...
\[BLOCK 0 (CONTINUED)\] And your country says, I own it, you're going, well, wait a minute, I still need to use elements. So you have to, if you do that in your things as I own it, you want to have deal with the bits and pieces. So you want to have language in there that says, you own this as a whole, but you understand that I've created this using bits and pieces that I've done before. And I still have the right to reuse those. And if I've created new bits and pieces, well, I'm creating your site, I get to use those
**\[26:15\]** **Sean:** do. That's getting into intellectual property, isn't it?
**\[26:21\]** **David:** Absolutely. You want your license to be really clearly drafted. There's a bunch of fairly typical language that comes from the software license world around that stuff that gets kind of reused for IP and software-related stuff.
**\[26:41\]** **Mike:** Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'm going to jump in here and just say it's a bunch of questions. Obviously, we haven't addressed yet. Amanda, Sean, how do you want to tackle this? You want to just pick a few and sort of
**\[26:53\]** **Mike:** the last question in the document that I added this morning and I actually really want to ask that. How often should I have my contract updated and or reviewed? And by that, I mean, my boilerplate as well as contracts with long-term clients. Like, I've got a client I've been working with her five years. should I review the contract that we agreed to five years ago, you know, Amanda? Yeah, I'm sorry, I was just rambling. I wasn't asking it. I was just like, why don't you get
**\[27:21\]** **Mike:** David to answer that question right now? Sure, you just asked it. David, go ahead.
**\[27:24\]** **David:** Look, in the web development world, as far as on the contract side, things don't change that fast. So, I wouldn't say annually is necessary, you know, every few years there tends to be sort of like slow creeping issues that, you know, people may do a little bit differently, but then you can also get the sort of rapid whack where, you know, privacy lies change like tomorrow or, you know, there's artificial intelligence law kicks in. Like, you can have those sort of distinct things can happen.
**\[27:59\]** **Sean:** I would almost think that if you when you have a long-term contract oftentimes the client will start relying on you to do more things at first it's just the website and then it's also the marketing and then it's also the social media so I would think that it's like as those new tasks are added maybe just make sure that your contract covers that and if not update them. Yeah that's really good advice
**\[28:21\]** **David:** because it's hard in the middle of a contract contract relationship even if it's a few years in and say, oh, I've changed my standard contract. I want to sign it and that other side's going, well, OK, if you want me to sign it, that must be bad for me. So I'm not sure I want to do that. So if you can tie it into something new, that's always a good way to do it.
**\[28:43\]** **Mike:** Is it fair to say that for the most part, if I have a standard contract that I use for most clients, I could sort of just pull it out every time I get new clients, changed some details here and there, but it generally used the same contract across projects, would that be for you to do?
**\[29:01\]** **David:** Yeah, the way I like to do them, if I was drafting a contract for web developer, I draft the contract, so it's more of a, you might call it a general services agreement or, you know, MSA or master services agreement or something, and it sets out the default positions for everything. And then you have a schedule to it or a statement of work or whatever. And it's set up so you refer to those. So if you're doing something for me for the first time, we sign the master agreement with the schedule or statement of work, however it is you do it...
\[BLOCK 1 (CONTINUED)\] And then if down the road, I ask you to do something else, you don't have to resign the contract. You just do a new schedule, a new statement of work, but it's crucial that it refers back. So the new one has to say, oh yeah, this statement of work we're signing today is done pursuant to the terms of the master services agreement that we signed on date X...
**\[30:00\]** **Mike:** And then everybody would they like sign that amended portion, or that's how it's finalized.
**\[30:07\]** **Sean:** Since we're talking about signing stuff, do we still have to print stuff off and sign with pen and scan it into email at back or is an email that's like I agree is that enough?
**\[30:17\]** **David:** You don't have to have wet signatures. You know you can print it, sign it, and fax it, that happens a lot. Things like DocuSign are really good. As far as I'm concerned, DocuSign from the evidentiary basis is better than a wet signature. That's really good, so if you can use those, it's good. The email exchange, it has to be clear. email has to say refer to the paper contract or attach it or I agree it has to be really dead
**\[30:48\]** **Sean:** clear that you're agreeing to it on those terms. What about embedding a scan of an image that's a scan of a signature? In the PDF of the word doc? Is that probably better between?
**\[31:02\]** **David:** Yeah, that's essentially how DocuSign works. The advantage of using something like DocuSign is that, like, it knows that it's me because I had to either log in or I came from my email or something. So, and it provides you with that proof, but it was signed by somebody by David who came out there from decantnetherisonpensa.com. So, that's kind of the gold standard, and it just comes down to proof, proof we accepted this.
**\[31:34\]** **Mike:** Right? to what a wet signature is.
**\[31:37\]** **Mike:** We use that term with our clients now to sound like we're extra knowledgeable.
**\[31:43\]** **Sean:** I know. Like we know what's up. Anyway, thank you, David, so much for spending time talking to us today. We have gotten a lot of valuable information.
**\[31:52\]** **Mike:** Yeah, this is really, really great. And I know our listeners are going to love this information. They've been asking for it for quite a while.
**\[31:58\]** **Sean:** Thank you so much.
**\[31:59\]** **Mike:** Are you quite welcome?
**\[32:05\]** **Sean:** The website 101 Podcast is hosted by me, Amanda Loots. You can also find me online at AmandaLoots.com.
**\[32:12\]** **Mike:** Recording from a secret layer while plotting world domination, I'm Sean Smith, your co-host.
**\[32:18\]** **Mike:** One of your hosts today was me, Mike Mella. Find me online at belikewater.ca or on socials at Mike Mella. Okay, now that's an outtake we can do, yeah man pretty amateur hour here we couldn't even
**\[32:37\]** **Sean:** get the count in right okay here we go. Should we should we have a swearing roll at the end of each season each time somebody just nothing but swears. I think that would be awesome
**\[32:49\]** **Mike:** at the end of the last episode, we have outtakes of like sh\*\* and sh\*\*.
**\[32:54\]** **Mike:** I'll censored everyone of them.
**\[32:56\]** **Mike:** Yeah. Okay, here we go. Huh.
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[](https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93ZWJzaXRlMTAxcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vZmVlZC5yc3M%3D)[](https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/website-101-podcast/id1449510012)[](https://open.spotify.com/show/3rmSM1R9t6q1U8DmYWJRSO?si=NrYPMgDaRV6Dd56PjEaPow)### Season 06
- 1 [ Tools of the Trade](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-1/tools-of-the-trade/)
- 2 [ Website Contract Advice From an Actual Lawyer](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-2/website-contract-advice-from-an-actual-lawyer/)
- 3 [ Choosing a CMS](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-3/choosing-a-cms/)
- 4 [ Tips for Website Maintenance](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-4/tips-for-website-maintenance/)
- 5 [ Working with Conflicting Personalities](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-5/working-with-conflicting-personalities/)
- 6 [ Building an Online Course with Jane Atkinson](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-6/building-an-online-course-with-jane-atkinson/)
- 7 [ PodCamp Toronto 2023 Recap](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-7/podcamp-toronto-2023-recap/)
- 8 [ The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly about RFPs](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-8/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-about-rfps/)
- 9 [ Here's how to work from paradise](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-9/heres-how-to-work-from-paradise/)
- 10 [ Rebroadcast: Pimp Your Typography](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-10/rebroadcast-pimp-your-typography/)
- 11 [ Internet Privacy with Michael Geist](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-11/internet-privacy/)
- 12 [ Lessons from a plugin developer with Ben Croker](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-12/lessons-from-a-plugin-developer-with-ben-croker/)
- 13 [ Stand Out on Social Media with Jessica Perreault](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-06/episode-13/social-media-with-jessica-perreault/)
### All Seasons
- [Season 01](https://website101podcast.com/season/01/)
- [Season 02](https://website101podcast.com/season/02/)
- [Season 03](https://website101podcast.com/season/03/)
- [Season 04](https://website101podcast.com/season/04/)
- [Season 05](https://website101podcast.com/season/05/)
- [Season 06](https://website101podcast.com/season/06/)
- [Season 07](https://website101podcast.com/season/07/)
- [Season 08](https://website101podcast.com/season/08/)
- [Season 09](https://website101podcast.com/season/09/)
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