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title: Talking to a New Dev
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<!\[CDATA\[YII-BLOCK-BODY-BEGIN\]\]>[Skip to main content](#main-content)Guest Shopnil Mahmud
I’m a Front-end Developer & UX & UI Designer. I dream of building a universe inspired by art, music, nature, shapes and patterns to solve daily design problems.
[ ](https://www.linkedin.com/in/shopnilm/)
Season 05 Episode 13 – Jun 28, 2022
34:01 [Show Notes](#show-notes)
## Talking to a New Dev
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We talk to new developer Shopnil Mahmud about learning web development at Seneca College and starting work in the field. Questions were submitted by current students at Seneca College.
### Show Notes
- Web technologies
- Learning new frameworks
- Is what is taught in a course enough to get a job?
- Side projects
- UX/UI Design vs Developer
- Continuous learning
- What was the most important thing you learned at school for your current job.
- Dealing with stress
- Job search & Interviews
- Advice for new developers
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**\[00:00\]** **Amanda:** Welcome to another episode of the website 101 Podcast. This podcast is for novice web developers and small business owners who want to learn more about running and optimizing their websites. Hello everyone, I am Amanda Loots, welcome.
**\[00:16\]** **Mike:** I'm Mike Mella, welcome to the show, everybody, good to be back and I'm Sean Smith and Amanda, who do we have on the show today?
**\[00:24\]** **Amanda:** Today we have a guest who is a former Santa Custodian who is now working in web development at the Bank of Montreal. He's also interested in UIUX design and he has many other interests. I'm just gonna let him explain it all. Shopnil, hello, how are you?
**\[00:42\]** **Shopnil:** I'm good, great to be here, how are you?
**\[00:45\]** **Amanda:** I'm good, thank you.
**\[00:47\]** **Shopnil:** Welcome to the show, thank you so much.
**\[00:49\]** **Amanda:** Before we start getting angry emails about Amanda and her favoritism. Shopnell was never one of my students, but he was one of my TAs.
**\[00:59\]** **Mike:** Yeah, I see. I didn't even know that until this moment. Okay, cool.
**\[01:04\]** **Amanda:** Yes, so it's not like, Amanda's pulling favorites or anything like that. It's not like I picked somebody who got really crappy grades, but it was always a big suck up or anything. Right, right. No, Shopnell is very clever, very smart, helps me out a lot when he was my TA.
**\[01:20\]** **Mike:** Thank you so much. So, Shopnell, where are you located? Are you here in Ontario?
**\[01:25\]** **Shopnil:** Yes, currently I'm living in downtown Toronto. Yeah, and working from home until now.
**\[01:34\]** **Mike:** Yeah, like all of us right now, I think, like all of us.
**\[01:38\]** **Sean:** So Shopnell, you're working at BMO for our non-Canadian listeners. That's the Bank of Montreal, one of our national banks. How long have you been working there? And what exactly is your role?
**\[01:49\]** **Shopnil:** I'm working here as a full-stack developer with an emphasis on front-end development. I joined this company back in November 2021, so it's been like around five months now. Before that I was working for another company called Sage Renegade. That was something that I landed on right after my Sanika diploma. And so that turned into a job right after my internship. So I was lucky to get that. That gave me a platform. And based on that, I could join another somewhat better company for me.
**\[02:38\]** **Mike:** So are you part of the team over there? Or I assume there's several other at a place like a bank like that. There's probably a whole bunch of developers. Is that right?
**\[02:47\]** **Shopnil:** That's right, but I'm working for a small team here, which is mainly a part of capital market, not the consumer banking site, and our main focus is on analytics and you know working with data and other things to help the investors make informed decisions.
**\[03:12\]** **Amanda:** Cool. So overall what are the like sort of high level? level, what are the technologies that you specifically are working with?
**\[03:20\]** **Shopnil:** Currently, we are using React, and apart from that, Node.js is also something which is being used by the backend developers, and I'm also working on SQL and other databases, which are not my strongest suit as a front end developer, but once you sign up for something, you have to learn and deliver things, even if it's not in your interest.
**\[03:55\]** **Sean:** A little baptism by fire, as it is.
**\[03:58\]** **Shopnil:** That's right.
**\[04:00\]** **Mike:** So let's talk a little bit. You mentioned there about what's not your strong suit in that, what is your favorite part of web development? But what kind of technologies do you like working with the best?
**\[04:15\]** **Shopnil:** I think I have been working with these web technologies for almost 10 years now. And still I think I'm not an expert in CSS or even HTML in some cases. my understanding, it's easy to go from 0 to 80% and that 20% takes years to master. So I think I still have a lot to learn when it comes to CSS animation and other advanced level CSS or JavaScript.
it, but I enjoy all of them. I also like to learn new frameworks, and so there are tons of JavaScript frameworks that I try to learn at my free time, but the learning curve for all of them is different. For example, if we talk about React, it's not how normal have development works like we put HTML files, whereas in React, we have to go with JSX. So we are writing HTML into a JavaScript file.
So those are the learning curve there. That's supposed to be what makes a React so awesome. But you just combine them together. Yeah, that's the idea, but you know, you have to unlearn a lot of things when you learn an in-frame work.
So that's the challenge I'm talking about basically.
**\[06:00\]** **Mike:** Right. I would think though, starting with React though, you're probably in a pretty good position. That's like the big heavyweight thing that everyone talks about these days. So if you know that fairly well, I'm not that I know what I'm talking about. I don't know React, but it's a good place to start. You know what I mean? True.
**\[06:19\]** **Amanda:** The majority of the questions today are going to come from current sentico students. I forced all of the 420 students, all of the last semester students to let me know what questions they wanted me to pass on because of course they're all about to graduate and go into the job world and so yeah that's you know that's the that's the pool of of where all of these have come from. So I think that probably one of the biggest questions. One of the biggest anxieties that I'm hearing from students who are about to graduate is, is the stuff that we've learned, is that going to be enough to get me a job?
**\[06:59\]** **Shopnil:** If I give a simple one word answer, then probably no. But if I explain that, in that case, I would say that just some college projects probably won't be enough, so we have to run that extra mile in order to secure something, secure a job. Because you see, what Seneca is teaching, all the other students are working on that, So that's an expected level of learning that is required. But in order to get a good job, I think all the students need to focus on having some more projects under their belts.
So some pet projects or something that they are interested in, things like that. So that helps a lot, because I'm saying that I may sound like a pessimist person, but I'm saying that because many of my fellow students, they still don't have a job because they didn't do that extra work or didn't care enough to have more projects apart from and the Seneca ones are on their profile. So I think that's very important for the students to learn from this program, but at the same time, take this as a beginner step and build up on that. So that would be my advice to the students.
**\[08:52\]** **Amanda:** I can see that. If you've got a hundred students that are graduating from the same program at the same time, Yeah, they've all got the same skill set. So, you know, use that knowledge that you've learned to, and I'm constantly telling them, get in. Play with it, see what it does, see how you can expand it, see what else you can do with it.
And that would be, I'm sure, this types of projects that Chapnilla's talking about with the pet projects and the side projects. And oh, I was interested in this so I took it a bit further to see what I could do, like anything that's gonna make you stand out a bit from everyone else who graduated in your class, and then all of the other colleges at the same time.
**\[09:27\]** **Sean:** I was just going to say the TLDR on that is don't do just the minimum, you have to do a little bit more to get noticed and stand out from the crowd. Exactly.
**\[09:37\]** **Mike:** Well, I noticed in your, I'm looking at your portfolio site here and I don't know when some of these projects were done, but I notice you have, you did a site for the band Kio. I don't know if that's a band or just the lady's name, but something that I think is really awesome that I would love to do myself. do myself, I don't know if I can make this happen, but you've got a play button, and when you hit play, you see a video testimonial of that client, you know, singing your praises for a couple of minutes. You're sitting there talking about you in a video, and it's like, ah, that is really great.
What a great way to showcase, you know, how your clients feel about you, you know, so that kind of thing would be a project, an example of a project you should, you know, do in addition to your actual schooling education, right? So I project like that.
**\[10:23\]** **Shopnil:** Absolutely. So WebTech was something that caught my interest. I was barely passing through the other subjects, like physics or calculus, but all of a sudden, I discovered that WebTech was something in which I received like 95% marks or something. So that's the moment I thought that this is something I would like to do for the rest of my life.
And also I noticed that when I was working on web technologies, I didn't feel tired about it. I could go on for like whole night without feeling tired. So that's the time you know where your destination is. So just to give you an idea that what you are talking about now that you have to go that extra mile out of your own passion, you have to find it.
So yeah.
**\[11:22\]** **Sean:** Well, that's really awesome that you found something you're passionate about so early in life.
**\[11:28\]** **Mike:** Yeah. So you mentioned a little bit about the technology there and all that and how you did well in that side of it. But you also consider yourself a UX UI designer, which is more of the aesthetic side, not so code relevant. So how do those two fields work for you, like designer versus developers, or one you prefer, how did that come about?
**\[11:54\]** **Shopnil:** So in that case, once you do some freelancing projects, you have to wear different hats at the same time. It's not just front end, it's not just back end, or they want a person to develop a website from A to Z or an app in that case. So you have to know the design aspects as well. So when I was working on both design and development at the same time, I figured that web design back in those days were just web design.
These terms are quite modern, like UI, UX, and other stuff, UI engineer. So that's something I always wanted to learn more about. Previously probably I was using a font, but I didn't know when to use a sense, or you know, sensory font or things like that. So that's the moment I decided to come to Seneca and learn more about designs.
And so we had UI UX courses as well. So that's the time I started learning UI UX, and then I went on to take some other certifications from Google and Coursera. And it was very interesting to learn like what a Google designer is thinking and how their thought processes are, how they take about their projects. So I always like went online to see what are the other learning options there.
I keep like an hour every day to explore what are the new technologies coming in or just to read about some blog posts or some probably CSS design or our words. A triple W, that kind of websites to see what the people are doing these days. So things like that. So, yeah, that's how I think my design or like UI UX design journey started.
And so far, I'm enjoying it a lot because just focusing on coding sometimes may get a little boring. So it adds like extra spices on your life when you work on or do some research explore how these design decisions would come about things like that.
**\[14:39\]** **Mike:** Yeah, it can be a benefit and also like a plus and a minus because you have to deal with all those different aspects but also you can consider them as sort of like relief from each other. If you're doing a lot of coding, I'll take a break and I'll do some of this other stuff for a while
**\[14:55\]** **Sean:** whatever. One of the things you just talked about is you set aside like an hour or so each day to learn new technology, keep up with design trends and things like that. That's really so important and we had West Boss in and he said that that's also very important. It's putting in the time to keep abreast and that's how he continues to learn. So yeah, I mean, this is part of why you to do into a successful job right now. Awesome, well done.
**\[15:33\]** **Amanda:** Hey Amanda here. If you're enjoying the website 101 Podcast, we'd love it if you could give us a positive review. You can go do that on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Reviews help new listeners find out about us and also allow us to keep doing the show. Thanks.
**\[15:49\]** **Sean:** Your time at Seneca, what was the most useful or important thing that you learned there that you can apply to your current job.
**\[15:57\]** **Shopnil:** When I came here, I had eight years of experience, but I kept pushing for things such as networking. Our program coordinator, Kinman Smith, was probably sick and tired of me, because I was the one who was always just going there to say hello or just shooting him some emails, things like that with my teachers. I'm still in touch with them until these days. So when I'm in their mind all the time, that's the time when they are also thinking about me.
So my first internship the way I landed on it was a friend of Kinmond asked him about some web development related work. So then Kinman could instantly recall my name because I was constantly in touch with him all the time. So he was probably relieved when he could source me into someone that at least now this guy will not bother me anymore. You know, things like that.
I'm like, that's not my nature, but the squeaky wheel gets the crease.
**\[17:18\]** **Amanda:** Yeah, nobody listening can see this, but I'm now shaking my fist at Shop-Nill because I'm gonna have all of the students contacting me all of the time. Hey, Amanda, hook me up. And you'd be like, if I get any projects, I'm taking them myself.
**\[17:33\]** **Sean:** I find it really interesting that the best thing that came out of his time at Seneca was not coursework, but networking.
**\[17:41\]** **Shopnil:** Yeah, to me, it was. And that's how I became Amanda's TA because he also wanted me to work on something instead of just bothering him all the time. So I'm redirecting the traffic into Kinmont instead of Amanda here. So you know.
**\[18:00\]** **Amanda:** Yes. Kinman wants to hear from everybody. He loves talking to students.
**\[18:08\]** **Mike:** Sounds like what an experience over there at the Seneca.
**\[18:10\]** **Sean:** Sounds like a great place to go.
**\[18:14\]** **Mike:** So, Shopnell, speaking of during Seneca, this is a question from one of the Amanda students, I think, really resonated with me. When you were studying, and I suppose we could apply this to now as well, how do you deal with stress, any kind of, at the time, academic stress that you were going through while you were studying, because it can be very stressful learning all this stuff in a concentrated program, or stress at the job right now, like, you know, mental health is a big thing for people in our industry. So how do you deal with that?
**\[18:48\]** **Shopnil:** It's very hard initially to go through all these, especially as an international student when you are not settled in Canada yet, and you have to go through several different kinds of like other challenges in your life. What I personally did was like, I took music as a therapy for myself. So, that helped me relieve some of my stress, and then I was also doing some meditation. Like even if it's just 10 minutes a day, but still that helps a lot.
Your spiritual and mental health is really important. Sometimes even just a little bit of prayer gives you some strength to go on when things are hard and you know in adverse situations. So those were the things that that helped me a lot. I was also like during my weekend I didn't work too much on the assignments.
I just took I just went somewhere like I love traveling. So I went for a photo walk or something just to observe people in downtown or in some other areas and what they're doing and trying try to capture those moments into my camera. So those were the things that helped me get out of that stressful condition.
**\[20:16\]** **Amanda:** I think what probably a lot of the soon to be graduating students that I'm going to force to listen to this would be interested in is give us like a brief overall summary of how How the job search worked, like, did you have, I mean, we've already talked about some references through Kinman, but were you active on LinkedIn, were you, like, how often were you checking out, indeed, or other job posting sites, like, did you, did you have to write cover letters, did you have to customize resumes for each job posting, like, we've only heard rumors of how awful the job interviews are, like, tell us, tell us a bit about what
**\[20:57\]** **Sean:** you went through. How many jobs that you apply for, how many interviews did you get? I heard that it's insane, so yeah.
**\[21:07\]** **Shopnil:** I was lucky to get my first job through internship, as I mentioned, but at one point I lost their job. That's because that company was struggling. And I was in a very stressful situation at that moment because during those days I just lost my father in my home country. So I was not in that mental state to look for like other opportunities and jobs.
But I started working on my case studies instead of just some showcases of the projects. And I landed on, so I, on LinkedIn, there's a very interesting functionality you have, which is like open for work that badge you can show on your profile. So once I turned that on, I started getting messages from the recruiters and they started reaching out to me. So for the next couple of weeks, I gave 25 plus interviews.
And I applied to probably like over over hundreds of jobs like wherever I could get. And those were really stressful, like 25 plus job interviews within two weeks, but guess what? I received job offers from three companies.
**\[22:34\]** **Amanda:** Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, before you go on. So just talking about the job interviews themselves and you went through so many of them in such a short period of time, but I've got to ask the first interview that you had with a company versus the 25th one that you had with a company, I would assume that by that point, Your stories are more flowing. They're more comfortable. You know the key topic points that you want to talk about.
So, while it is like a huge stressful hassle going through all of these interviews that may or may not result anything, I always like to think that there's so long as you can take a positive point from any experience
**\[23:14\]** **Sean:** than it's worthwhile going through. Absolutely. I would think so too. And I have a question about the interviews. When you did those interviews, did they have any sort of code testing, like a take home test, or something that you did in front of them, whether it's like on-screen or actually physically in person, although I'm not sure if that happened during COVID, but you know the basic idea, we hear all these stories about crazy, crazy skill tests.
**\[23:46\]** **Shopnil:** Did you have that experience at all? So one of my experience was like a guy just showed up to take my interview, he asked me to share my screen, go to certain websites like Kotpen, and then he started explaining about those questions. And I say that well in order to resolve that problem I have to understand the question first. Then he started repeating the same question.
And I couldn't really understand the ask there and then we went on for like half an hour and then I told him that well, I think this is embarrassing for both of us because this is not the way a developer works. Good for you. Good call. Yeah, well done.
It's never like, what do you have memorized? You can always take help from different websites and work on some coding. That was more like a programming competition, like ECM or things like that. Those were some disastrous experience that I had.
When I received this offer from BMO and they asked me to come for a coding test and I was I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to get this job because not everyone is a good test taker and so I was like I have failed enough already so what does it matter if I fail again? I just appeared for it and I was just confident I had nothing to lose so that's the way I you know like that's how you pass through the later interviews when you go through that difficult phase initially. And at one point, those questions start repeating. So, you know,
**\[25:42\]** **Mike:** you're already fluent in that phase. Yeah. I got a question about back at the Seneca thing again. Is there anything that you know now that you wish you knew back when you were at Seneca, like anything you learned about the way, maybe about the way the job market works, things like that, and you wish you had known it back then, or a certain technology that is really popular and you wish you focused on it more back then. Anything like that?
**\[26:09\]** **Shopnil:** I think our, the diploma that we did, interactive media design is like a buffet of various different kinds of programs. So we had like 3D design which I personally hated because 3D was very difficult for me and it takes like three days to render. My computer was not able to handle all those pressure. So what I learned is that what is the 3D design? Is that for like what
**\[26:46\]** **Mike:** for movies or something? Like what does that mean 3D design? Or is it like designing furniture
**\[26:52\]** **Shopnil:** and stuff. Either a man or a shop, no I guess you can clarify that. Yeah, from designing a breakfast table and all the props into making an animation or animated logo video or something like that. So it started from there.
So after like all these learning, Kinman mentioned that he doesn't know anyone in the industry who can help us get a 3D related internship or a job. So, you know, that's something I thought that I put a lot of effort in but in the end, it didn't help at all. So, my learning from that program would be to focus on certain skills. Like, it gives you a taste of different types of programs.
It gives you a foundation, but in order to be successful in the future carrier, you have to pick which subject you are enjoying the most and then build your profile on top of that because nobody wants to see like ten different kinds of profession into your portfolio. Everybody wants to see probably they're just looking for a web developer or they're looking for a graphic designer or they're looking for a UI-UX designer, so a student needs to fix their focus on one thing, one particular profession and then build their profile based on that instead of like showing all the projects they have worked on during the college days.
**\[28:30\]** **Sean:** That is excellent advice and businesses also do the same things, niching down to what your specialization
**\[28:36\]** **Mike:** Absolutely. Yeah. Okay, we're coming into the end of this interview. This has been really insightful. I have a question I'd like to ask you about, you know, Seneca versus moving from Seneca, or any kind of education in this field into the job market. What is your main piece of advice that you have for people coming from, you know, in education in this field and getting into the workforce, whether it be something related to the job interview process or the job search, what's your big tip that you have for people now that you've gone through that?
**\[29:11\]** **Shopnil:** I cannot focus enough on networking. They can simply reach out to different mentors, alumni who worked on this, who studied the same program, reach out to them, speak to them, them, just say hi. You can learn a lot from the people who already went through all these and then when it comes to interview, I think all the interviewers, they look for the person, not the skill itself because many other people may have the same skill. They look for that personality so show your personality be there and just have fun and so that's something really helps in order to stand out from the crowd because most of the people are really nervous they're confused even though they're all skilled so being able to handle that stressful situation is what makes one person different from the others, because in real life work, it's stressful.
So they want to see how you react to different kinds of stressful situations. That's great advice.
**\[30:32\]** **Sean:** So the last question for this episode is all about working with Amanda. So you said that your Amanda's TA, or you were, how, what was your experience working with her as a TA? Her students are going to listen. What do you think about her? We only want dirt. I'm leaving. Feel free to
**\[30:54\]** **Shopnil:** talk openly. No. It was a lot of fun. I heard from many of my fellow students that this course is really hard.
Amanda is unforgiving and she is very strict. Things like that. She He cuts my mark, even when I... She does that to us too.
So they were complaining, like, even if I missed a semicolon, she would cut my mark. But I knew the importance of a semicolon into a programming language. So I was just sitting there and listening to them. And then when I had this experience of actually taking Amanda's class as a TA, then I came to see the whole curriculum from a different perspective, you know, from a teacher's perspective.
And she has all the logical reasons to be strict because otherwise, you know, people will not learn from this course, not learn anything from it.
**\[31:58\]** **Sean:** Shokno, that is awesome. Amanda. I feel validated. You should cut this clip out and play it at the beginning of each episode or semester.
**\[32:09\]** **Amanda:** Thank you so much. Sean, you're right, I'm just gonna play that clip at the beginning of every semester. And the middle and the end. And just be like, suck it up, do the work, listen when I'm talking.
**\[32:22\]** **Mike:** We should just play that clip at the beginning of every episode of this podcast.
**\[32:25\]** **Amanda:** Amanda's the boss. Awesome, Shoppnidle, thank you so much for coming and talking with us today. You have had a lot of really great experience.
**\[32:34\]** **Sean:** Yeah, some good insight for new developers or people considering joining our industry.
**\[32:40\]** **Mike:** Yeah, thank you very much. Is there anywhere you'd like to send people
**\[32:43\]** **Shopnil:** to learn more about you? They can visit my LinkedIn profile or just simply, since there's an option to reach out to me and send me a message if they have any question.
**\[32:56\]** **Sean:** Excellent, excellent.
**\[32:57\]** **Shopnil:** Thank you very much for being on the show.
**\[32:58\]** **Sean:** Thank you so much, Rob. No.
**\[33:00\]** **Shopnil:** Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.
**\[33:02\]** **Amanda:** The website 101 Podcast is hosted by me, Amanda Loots. You can also find me online at AmandaLoots.com.
**\[33:13\]** **Mike:** And by me, Mike Mella, find me online at belikewater.ca, or on socials at Mike Mella.
**\[33:19\]** **Sean:** I'm Sean Smith, your co-host. You can find me online at my website, caffeinecreation.ca, and link in at caffeinecreation.
**\[33:28\]** **Amanda:** Final Sound Checks, Pepper Pots, Proofers, Pepperoni Pizza.
**\[33:44\]** **Mike:** Oh, you got to add to it every time.
**\[33:47\]** **Amanda:** Last time you said pineapple. Pineapple and pepperoni? I don't know. I am definitely super creative today. Pickles. Pickles. Pickles.
**\[33:57\]** **Shopnil:** monster.
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- 13 [ Talking to a New Dev](https://website101podcast.com/episodes/season-05/episode-13/talking-to-a-new-dev/)
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- [Season 01](https://website101podcast.com/season/01/)
- [Season 02](https://website101podcast.com/season/02/)
- [Season 03](https://website101podcast.com/season/03/)
- [Season 04](https://website101podcast.com/season/04/)
- [Season 05](https://website101podcast.com/season/05/)
- [Season 06](https://website101podcast.com/season/06/)
- [Season 07](https://website101podcast.com/season/07/)
- [Season 08](https://website101podcast.com/season/08/)
- [Season 09](https://website101podcast.com/season/09/)
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